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Mr Shepherd's Nursery was located at the junction/corner of Whitehall Gardens and Gordon Road (it's now an unattractive Dean's Close estate) by the alley.The nursery lands covered the whole area to the right of Deans Lane...extending to the Southern Railway in the south and to the Underground line on the west side...and you could see the rows of vegetables growing.I used to go there often in the late 40's onwards to buy potatoes,lettuces and veg etc for my Mum.  I can picture Mr Shepherd (and his wife)now..with Wellington boots and gingery hair..often wearing a hat..scouping up the potatoes into his weighing pan and plonking them on the scales. On entering the nursery..at the end of Whitehall Gardens..one turned right onto a mud path..and there, some 20 yards away, was the timber shed shop. Often there would be a queue of say 6 locals. The sound of the Underground trains heading for Upminster would be the same as today...with no aircraft noise as I recall.  Mrs Shepherd also served in the Nursery Shop and she would have been a font of local news. The Shepherds lived just 3 or 4 houses along from the Nursery in Whitehall Gardens..opposite dear Mrs Broadhead, the Rimmers and the Kerrs. No plastic bags in those days....your potatoes would be poured into your shopping bag..the lettuce plonked on top..and off you'd go. That's after paying the bill...one shilling and eleven pence halfpenny! (less than 10p!)Only 4 or 5 cars were parked in Whitehall Gardens in those days..all English makes....so I could kick my tennis ball all down the road..as I returned to Wolseley Gardens. (Reproduced..and spelling corrected(!) from Diccon's Chiswick Memories thread)

Jim Lawes ● 7424d

There are certainly some grand houses and a varied history to this road in the Grove Park area of Chiswick.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooAnd we've recently been looking at the site of the new Blue Plaque for the artist Joseph Michael Gandy..who lived at this house 1833-1838..before the railway line was built..and before Queen Victoria came to the throne.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooI believe that the railway arrived in 1849..or soon thereafter..and the line would have been as straight as it is today!!This is facing the eastward direction..with Chiswick Station  nearest...and Barnes Station and Barnes Bridge in the great distance.  A level crossing was in place opposite the Grove Park Pub/Hotel in the 19th century  but by 1900ish that was replaced by the currently graffitied Duke of Devonshire Bridge.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThis is looking westwards..towards Strand School and Kew Bridge Station..where the line branches. Bits of Chiswick Village can be just seen on the right of the line.Immediately to the right was an old wooden cream coloured signal box..which had an occupant all day. He worked amongst levers(for the mechanical signals..and bells/chimes from signal boxes down the line!! Does anyone remember the jolly signalman here? He was there till the 60's at least.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThat's where the wooden signal box was..just at the side of that house.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooIt's interesting that today you can stop on the crossing and look down the lines wih an uninterrupted view. In the old days..with the type of gates they had..the gates were closed shut across the lines so that access on the railway area was not possible.When a steam engine train came along ..we could see the puffing cloud of smoke in the distance..and we clambered up the stairs and wait for the smoke to engulf us!! Sometimes there were crowds of people looking out of the windows on a special excursion.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooAlongside the level crossing today..is an attractively renovated office building. (Do you work there?)I remember that Catherine the Chiswick Artist was fascinated by it and was planning to paint it one day.I remember it the 1950's and 1960's..it was a builders and decorators yard (Heath & Co) and my uncle, Ron Edge, worked from there as a painter (Dulux!). Ladders and timber bits then adorned the archway!!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooFurther along Grove Park Terrace we arrive at my favourite  row of houses..built in the 1880's to overlook the tennis courts and cricket ground of Chiswick Park Sports Club..where the Australian cricketers played once ..and Middlesex..and Oxford University..anyway you've read all that before!!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThat's right... galleon bay windows..and balconies all with a naval flavour.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThen there's the Ice House near the corner with Fauconberg Road. Have you seen that?  It was deep in the old garden of Sutton Court..where the mansions are now.  Picture? !!ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooIt's a great interesting area to walk around..then you can nip to Fauconberg shops for refreshments. (end)

Jim Lawes ● 7421d

You must have missed my post on the other thread.AdrianYes there was a group of Mods in Chiswick; we used to hang out in the cellar of a coffee bar in Turnham Green Terrace called “Vee-Esta”. If we weren’t there we could be found out side the Steam Packet in Thames road, although we though nothing of taking a quick trip down to Brighton on a week day evening.  We also went over to Southall quite a bit to meet up with other Mods to go and see the bands of the time at the White Hart, amongst them The Who.It was quite a site to see 30 or 40 scooters all lined up outside the old bowling alley, we also had fun with the police but that’s another story. I posted this on another thread some time ago about what we use to wear.The standard mod 'uniform' of the time consisted (for the average Mod) of the American 'parka' style coat with fur-trimmed hood for protecting their expensive shiny two-tone mohair suits while riding their highly decorated and customised scooters. 'Aces' or the richer, highly fashionable Mods wore full-length leather coats. Other affectations were 'Fred Perry' or small collar shirts; narrow ties and the famous 'winkle picker' toed shoes or elastic-sided 'Chelsea' boots, although there were variations on this theme as fashion changed so rapidly. American shirts (tab and button down) could be bought from an American Gents Outfitters on Shaftsbury Avenue for 59/11 (£2.98p) and Madras-striped cotton jackets were hunted for at various out of the way shops according to 'locals' knowledge.We also shopped at Carnaby Street, which seem to open very rapidly to cater for the mod trend in clothes, we used it mainly as a great place to meet other Mods from other areas.

Paul Allen ● 7420d

A gentleman called Peter King does a great talk about the Old Market, he worked for one of the banks that had premises there.I have sent a couple of photos to Jim Lawes, hoping that he doesn't mind posting them for me.  They're of my father and grandfather and collectively they clocked up nearly a hundred years service between them, my father's brothers all worked in there too at some point in their lives. His youngest brother clocked up another 30-odd to add to the family tally.  My maternal grandfather also did a stint in there.  The photos date from the 50's.  I still have dad's original contract which was issued to him, and it includes such gems as:  "A sick porter normally recieves a nett wage of about £6 per week for the first six weeks of his illness, the difference between his £3.10/- (Agreement) plus income tax refunds being made up from loans from the firm.  This loan is recovered in "good" weeks after the man's return to duty."  Good weeks may have included the strawberry season as you were paid a lot more to porter soft fruit.  Usually, we went on holiday after the strawberry season!  Depending on what the fruit or veg were, different porterage rates applied.Porters were registered and all had a round enamelled badge showing their number which was the property of the Brentford Market Registration Authority.  I think the registration took place yearly.  It would also seem that if you went off for more than three days of sickness, you lost your porterage.  So, what with the prospect of having to pay a loan back that had made your wages up and the loss of the porterages, you went to work even if you were sick.The Market building itself was designed by the Brentford Borough Architect and surveyor, Nowell Parr.  If you want to see more examples of his work go and see the Boatmen's Institute, Brentford Library and the Viaduct at the top of Boston Manor Road.  It was beautiful, clad with shiny brown tiles on the outside and when you walked inside the sun used to shine through the glass roof.  A great piece of design and workmanship.  The smell was absolutely amazing, fruit and vegetables from all over the world. 

Christine Hooper ● 7419d

When teddy boys were smartly dressed up..they looked quite a colourful picture!  Weren't they harmless..although I suppose they did clash with the Mods..on their Vesta and Lambretta scooters.I can remember some of them in the  High Road..dressed in their drainpipe trousers..bright coloured socks..and thick creped (sp?) soled shoes. Can't remember the shirt or neckwear..but often a long jacket was worn.In paricular, their hair was long at the front with a big (Brylcream supported!) wave.  I recall Jerry Lee Lewis or was it Wee Willy Harris appearing at the Empire...bawling out rock and roll songs!I was into trad jazz myself..and being alerted to the delicate charms of Elgar ..Chanson de Matin and Chanson de nuit and all that.However in the 1950's when skiffle music and rock and roll has sweeping the nation..some of the old school types I think were startled by this new kind of music..and as Christine has reported..seeing vicars getting involved too.There was a skiffle group at the youth club attached to St Nicholas Church in the 1950's..my old School chums from Chiswick Grammar...here is their pictures on stage!!Peter Blunden (paint shop in CHR?) Jim Long(from Grove Park Terrace) John Farmer (from St Mary's Grove opoosite the bombed house) and Eddy Edwards (a great banjoist from Grove Park) wore cravats! and behaved like mods!The Brentford and Chiswick Times reported on 5th April 1955that gaudy coloured waistcoats,tartan jeans, Elvis Presley styled sideboards and black cravats were the order of the evening when over 200 skiffle-mad teenage fans packe d the Grove Park School for the all Borough Skiffle Group Competition.  The Feathers Group above won the event and were awared a £1 voucher!!!!!!!.The audiences clapped as cheered as the other groups took their turn on stage. The Hi Fi Group from Brentford Youth Club..The Fred Madrigal Squadronnaires from the Cavendish Youth Club  and then Les Erbs from the St Michael's Fellowship.Mr Eric Kirby, Headmaster of Belmont School judged this rowdy evening.  This would have been a mods type event.Prior to this they would have been "Bohemians" lounging around in Richmond's coffee bars..and Eel Pie Island.Ted's perhaps were the low key chavs..and the mods low key toffs!

Jim Lawes ● 7419d

Jim you beat to it again.;-0Thomas Henry Nowell Parr      Between 1896 and 1905 Nowell Parr designed five large buildings in Brentford in his distinctive style of red brick with terracotta decoration. Three of these buildings survive today: the public baths, the fire station and the Carnegie library and these all feature in the Layton Trail. The other two buildings, the Vestry Hall and the Brentford enclosed market, do not survive today. The finest of the Nowell Parr buildings was the Vestry Hall in Half Acre which opened in 1900. It contained various offices and committee rooms, a soup kitchen and a large hall that was used for meetings and functions.The County Court moved there in 1907. The building was capable of seating 600 people for sessions. It was demolished in 1963 to make way for the Brentford Police Station. It is likely that today this building would be “listed” and protected from development and demolition. The Brentford Enclosed Market was conceived in 1897 as a replacement for the chaotic and informal market along Kew Bridge Road and the open market site controlled by the local board facing Kew Bridge Road and between the railway line and London Stile Farm. The new covered market was opened in 1906 on land purchased from the Gunnersbury Park estate in 1902. It built on the existing market with many stands and shop-fronts lining the main road. It even boasted a banana-ripening room. It expanded rapidly but by the 1960s motorised vehicles were finding it difficult and in 1974 the market moved to the new Western International Market. The fountain from Kew Bridge was also moved there. It was used as a skateboarding rink until the site was demolished in 1982.

Hugh Telford ● 7419d

"I also believe that one of the two crossings on Bollo Lane are part of this bygone line, as is the line that runs under Gunnersbury Avenue.  Am I correct?"Yes you are, except that this is not a "bygone line"; it's one of London's major rail-freight links.  HISTORYBack in 1851, we had the London & South Western Railway's Hounslow Loop line through Chiswick and Brentford, and less than 4 miles away the London & North Western Railway's main line (Euston to Birmingham and the North West) through what is now Willesden Junction.  The North & South Western Junction Railway (NSWJ) was formed to link the two, which they did with a line from Willesden Junction to Old Kew Junction, behind Green Dragon Lane, where the line joined the Hounslow Loop heading towards Brentford.Passenger trains started in 1853, with the route extended first to Twickenham and then on to Kingston.  To avoid having to reverse the train in mid-journey, the LSWR built a new curve (often called the "Kew Curve") from the NSWJ line to New Kew Junction, so that trains could run via Chiswick and Barnes Bridge, then via another (but short-lived) new curve at Barnes on to the LSWR westbound line through Mortlake to Richmond, Twickenham and Kingston.  Around that time, a station was built on both the lines that meet at New Kew Junction, and it was called Kew Bridge from 1868.However, this route was so indirect that the LSWR then opened in 1869 the line from South Acton through Brentford Road (now Gunnersbury) across the river to Richmond, the present North London / District Line.  North London Railway trains ran alternately to Richmond on the new line and to the now-abandoned platforms at Kew Bridge.  Those Broad Street-Kew Bridge services ceased in 1940.By the way, it was the NSWJ who also built the branch to Hammersmith & Chiswick that featured in the original ABC Café thread.ROUTEHere's a rough diagram ...                      Old Kew          Kew East                South Acton                      Junction          Junction                  JunctionBrentford  ------------------------------------------------------------------                        \                /                                /    South Acton                          \              /                                /                          \          /  KEW                        /                            \        /  CURVE                  (to Gunnersbury                            \    /                                    & Richmond)                Kew Br.  \  /                Station  \/  New Kew                              |  Junction                              |                      (to Chiswick)                            Starting at Kew Bridge, the line curves round sharply to join the original NSWJ line at Kew East Junction, one of the few still left in London with semaphore signals.  Then under the M4/A4 and the North Circular Road, over the northern of the two level crossings in Bollo Lane to join the North London Line at South Acton. (Photos in my next message.)Where does the line ultimately lead to?  Well, anywhere really!  Between Acton Central and Willesden Junction, the North London Line passes through Acton Wells Junction which has links to the West, the North-West, the Midlands, the East Coast and East Anglia, using all the major railways out of London.  FREIGHT TRAFFICI got to know this stretch of line quite well while doing the research in 2004 for Hounslow's proposal for a Crossrail branch to Hounslow ("Corridor 7"), after Corridor 6 through Turnham Green and Gunnersbury was dropped.  One factor which had to be studied was the freight traffic.  A sample taken in September 2004 showed about 20 freight trains a day using the Kew triangle, of which typically about half ran over the "Kew Curve".  With pressure to put more passenger trains on the West London Line through Olympia, the Kew Curve is likely to grow in importance for freight traffic.I'll dig out a few photos and put them in another message.

Richard Jennings ● 7418d

A social function held last night by the new Mayor of Hounslow (Chiswick Councillor Felicity Barwood) opened the Town Hall's doors once again for a civic gathering..worthy of the old times!This is a picture by Brentfordian Bill Drinkwater.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThe expanded Town Hall was in being in 1900..occupied by the Chiswick Urban District Council. Gillian Clegg's CHISWICK BOOK covers this subject well.We know that the UDC bought Dukes Meadows from the Duke of Devonshire in 1925 (ish) enabling the Cival Service Sports Ground to be established..whilst the rest of the area was dredged for gravel...(gravel pits etc ) before being relayed as sports fields. (no wonder sportsmen's knees grazed easily when their fell over on Dukes Meadows!).  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooIn 1927..states Gillian..the three Brentford wards were added to the six of Chiswick to form the Brentford and Chiswick Urban District Council.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThe Town Hall has been the venue for thousands of events over the years and recent redecorations have given the two main halls a cosy uplift.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooSome pictures of the main hall and the smaller Hogarth Hall are sought. The staircases,corridors,and doors are all historic!.  The Committee Rooms upstairs are waiting to be visited! Here's one of them:oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThe Brentford and Chiswick UDC "was incorporated into a Municipal Borough in 1932 with its own Mayor and Alderman.And we know what happened in 1965! But a new era restoring Civic Pride ..under the current influence of the 74th(?) Mayor...should recapture some of those nostalgic memories.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThe old Council Chamber within the Town Hall still exists..with its gallery, fireplace and other features. We must explore it soonest!

Jim Lawes ● 7416d

The 1938 Kelly directory lists this as being a hairdressers on the left and a florists on the right.  It the first building on the left.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOn the right is Pages Yard...with that window!! (nor not)oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThen there's Ferry House..a sizable building!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooFerry HouseoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThen on the left again..we have perhaps the most famous building..and perhaps Chiswick's oldest:ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThen we have the Brewery and it's scattered buildings..accessed via a network of narrow lanes.Lamb HouseoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThe newly renovated Lamb CottageoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOf course ..there's the Church and the graveyard..with Hogarth's tomb...The Vicarage,..and there used to be a Post Office somewhere!...and around the corner The Mall..subject to flooding I wonder what's happening this evening!We have some visitors!!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooSo I sat on the kerbstones across the road..with some resting cyclists..and watched nature go by...in fading light!ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooIt's a delightful area of Chiswick isn't it.PS: There's a blue plaque around the corner...do you know whose?

Jim Lawes ● 7415d

Seeing the multitude of eating possiblities in Chiswick today...the scene 50 and 60 years ago was quite different.Only a cafe or tearoom here and there.Many poorer people in the area would have relied on their works or factory's CANTEEN for a good meal of the day. Remember that thousands of people worked at Chiswick Bus Works..opposite Gunnersbury Station, lots at Chiswick Products,and along the Great West Road at Smith's Crisps, BOAC,Firestones,Gillettes, Macfarlane Lang etc. Those employer's provided good meals..and healthy filled rolls at eleven-eeze!Many housewives would have sent their men to work with packed lunches too!!Whilst there were favourite fish and chip shops at Kew Bridge, Thames Road (Rapps),and around Devonshire Road..it was the Joe Lyons teashop..(near Woolworths on CHR) that would have kept many well fed.  There were no curry houses or pizza palours, no kebab shops or greek meze restaurants, just the cafe, here and there...where pie and mash and veg would have been popular.Cheese rolls were popular. Salmon,tuna,avocado with prawns, were unknown items.I remember the canteen in Thames Road..(near the current Post Office),a cafe in the Chiswick Empire alleyway, a snack bar in the forecourt of the old Gunnersbury Station (on the site of the Regent Petrol garage), several opposite the Brentford Market, the Chiswick Milk Bar at Turnham Green (Hugh's HQ?).The 1938 Kelly's Directory lists not one cafe in Devonshire Road and only one cafe in Turnham Green Terrace...to illustrate how dire things were in those days!!One mustn't forget school dinners!!And the dear old Chiswick Grill on the corner of Cranbrook Road was the leader..and it's predecessor Perilli's. The Star and Garter Pub opposite Kew Bridge Station..was also an early venue for silver service dinners too.The 1938 Directory lists the following places in Chiswick High Road where food was available:1)Between Goldhawk Road,Chiswick Lane and Turnham Green Terrace:95..Chiswick Grill site..Perillis restaurant99..Waltons fish bar103..Stokes restaurant157..Simmonds Dining rooms38..A cafe adjoining thr railway and coal depot!And that's it!!2) Between Turnham Green Terrace and Acton Lane (Old Packhorse)187 ..Wally Hammonds dining rooms next to George IV pub.191.. Eel pie shop!!253.. Mylo's caterers?300 ABC cafe! (corner of Holly Road)342 & 344 Joe Lyons Teashop..and big menu!390.. Hugh's Chiswick Milk bar!And that's it.  We've never had it so good?Mind you the taste of food was better then..perhaps. Tomatoes from my garden today..are so superior to what I have been buying..on the vine..from Waitrose.  And I'm sure that those cheese rolls in the 1950's have never since been matched.British restaurants?  They must have been everywhere..as we hardly had any foreign ones..in W4!

Jim Lawes ● 7415d

Ann, I'm so glad you mentioned the Milk Bar by Chiswick Lane, I hadn't liked to because I only have such a hazy memory of it.  There was one in Notting Hill too, odd to think teenagers were attracted by milk. I assume it was milk but I don't remember ever going in. Was it milk?I used to know a Mr Squairs who lived off Devonshire Road.  Spent his working life at Fullers Brewery and turned to gardening in his retirement.  His proudest moment was when, in about 1959, the Queen Mother visited the Chiswick garden he tended, accompanied by the Mayor wearing his great gold chains and many other dignitaries.  Masses of Rolls Royces and police to hold back the crowds.  A real excitement for Chiswick.  Mr Squairs and all his retired mates used to congregate by Fullers back door for a free pint of breakfast every morning. He smiled all day!  Sadly, he died suddenly about 15 years ago. Might he be the father or one of the footie sons?About 50 years ago, Lyons had opened a supermarket at Cadby Hall behind Olympia.  Is that where you worked?  Do you remember it?  When did the first supermarket open in London?Does anyone else remember when they first constructed the Hogarth roundabout and couldn't get the cambers right?  Frequently lorries would topple over and spill their loads, oranges one time I remember, and everyone from the streets around the roundabout would rush out to gather up the spoils.  Great fun.  One lorry turned over and crashed through the roof of the underpass.  It was stuck there for several days.

Viv Griffith ● 7413d

Hello folks!This evening I have been, firstly, at the Civic Centre down in merry Hounslow and then on to Gunnersbury Park for a session of the governing Joint Committee (so-called because the park is jointly owned with Ealing!).  I have only just logged on to see that dear old Diccon has been having a go at me!Let us get a few things straight, Diccon.  Firstly, I have a perfect right to contribute to this forum, just as you do.  Secondly, you will see that most of my contributions are timed in the wee small hours of the morning.  This is my form of relaxation after I have finished with Council and other business for the day.  It may sound strange to you, but as I have lived all my life locally, I am quite fascinated about the history of Chiswick, Gunnersbury and Brentford.  Personally, I don't think that it does very much harm and it certainly does not hinder my work as a Councillor.  As you know, I hold three separate ward surgeries for constituents each month and publicise each of these on this forum regularly.I am not the only Councillor in Chiswick - in fact there are nine in total and two others in the ward that I represent.  We all share the workload, so if one is currently occupied the others are always on hand to help.I am sorry that Diccon thinks that this thread should end or, at very least, that I should cease participation in it.  Sadly, this just confirms the view of most of my colleagues (regardless of political affiliation) that it is foolish to become involved in local community internet forums as whatever you say it is bound to be misinterpreted.  Some, also, believe that these forums become the preserve of people who enjoy posting the sort of nasty remarks that they would never dare say to one's face.  Maybe they are right?I have enjoyed this thread very much and have learnt a great deal from it over the past few weeks.  Ann, Colin, Christine, Audrey, Hugh, Paul, Micki and the Mighty Jim Lawes have all brightened up my daily routine with their postings.  I hope that it continues.  I wish you all well.

Cllr. Adrian Lee ● 7409d

I am sorry, folks, to have to come back to this thread, but I have to answer the comments of Mr. Adams.He refers to an e-mail that he sent to me via Hounslow Council.  By his own admission, I replied to that e-mail by asking him what on earth he was talking about.  The original communication was both rude and ambiguous.  There is no way that anybody could have made sense of the message that Mr. Adams sent to me.  He subsequently sent me another instructing me to read an item on the forum. Later the nutty threats began.  Sadly, after eight years as a Councillor, you get used to this sort of thing happening once in a blue moon.  You try to do your best, but there is always one person in a thousand with an attitude problem who just enjoys winding you up and wasting time.For the record, I do not take kindly to threats.  I am always available to meet constituents with their problems and, as I have said before, I attend three separate surgeries in different corners of the ward each and every month.  My telephone number is in the 'phone book and I am happy to see people privately outside normal surgery times.  I don't think you can say fairer than that, especially as Councillors do this job in their spare time.  In addition, as an Executive Member of Hounslow Council, I am currently trying to re-organise Leisure Service provision for the whole Borough (libraries, parks, swimming pools, sports fields, etc...) and hold down a job of work.  Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about any of this.  I wouldn't have stood for a third term on the Council if I didn't think that I could enthusiastically shoulder the burden, but I equally do not think that I deserved the obnoxious comments of Mr. Adams for my pains.I will sign off now and wish you all the best with the ABC thread.  I am sorry if my being a local Councillor got in the way.  Hopefully in my absence the thread will go from strength to strength.  I would especially like to thank Jim Lawes for all of his amazing contributions.  Jim is a local treasure and the sort of person that you need if forums such as this have a future.  Surely, it is in the interest of the forum that those with the sole aim of spreading spite and malice are put in their place and that those with the real interests of the community come to the fore.

Cllr. Adrian Lee ● 7408d

Hogarth Lane and Hogarth School, the Hogarth Club and the old Hogarth Laundry, Hogarth Business Park and Hogarth Hall in Chiswick Town Hall, Hogarth House (at school!) and Hogarth House...where he locally lived for..was it 15 years?, Hogarth Flyover..and there must be a Hogarth cafe somewhere! Any more examples. Isn't there a Hogarth Terrace?But have you ever met a Mr Hogarth? Me neither!Mozart was only 8 years old when William Hogarth died in 1764. ..so we're talking of 250 years ago when he came with his family..and dog..to live many months each year in Chiswick. He trained as an engraver,produced prints and was an artist. Others will have much more information and specialist knowledge about his accomplishments.Gillian Clegg in her THE CHISWICK BOOK describes William as our most famous ever resident. Hang on, hang on!ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"Heads of Six of his servants" by William Hogarth.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooYes, William Hogarth is buried in Chiswick..his tomb is in St Nicholas's Churchyard..near the Mall.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooI've hardly scratched the surface about his life and works..but I/we better understand why some of our School Houses took his name.And today we read that an information plaque is to be erected close to his Chiswick High Road statute.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooWhat must it have been like at Hogarth School to have the connection all around?

Jim Lawes ● 7407d

According to the London Walks website..there could well be a ghost in Chiswick: text copied herewith.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThe Phantom Breakfast!!Surrounded by its own peaceful grounds and modelled on Palladio’s Villa Rotonda at Vicenza, Italy, Chiswick House (1725-9) was designed by Richard Boyle, the 3rd Earl of Burlington, and stands as a monument to his appreciation of the arts. He lived in an adjoining Jacobean mansion (demolished in 1758), and used the new house to exhibit his works of art as well as to entertain friends, such as Handel, Pope and Swift. It later came into the ownership of various Dukes of Devonshire. Charles James Fox, Whig Statesman and Foreign Secretary, died here in 1806, as did Prime Minister George Canning in 1827. In 1892 the 8th Duke of Devonshire moved to Chatsworth, and Chiswick House became a private mental asylum. Middlesex County Council purchased it in 1929 and, over the next thirty years, it was allowed to fall into disrepair.In 1958 the Ministry of Works became an extensive restoration project and set about returning to the house to its former glory. As the workmen set about their task, they appear to have disturbed the spirits of several former residents. The aroma of bacon and eggs, which the workmen attributed the smell to the ghost of “one of the mad cooks,” would often waft around the building, although no cooking was ever taking place anywhere in the vicinity. Although the restoration was completed long ago, staff and visitors are constantly mystified by the distinctive smell of fried bacon that sometimes permeates the air in the back gallery from time. It can hang in the air for several months at a time, and then not be noticed for a few years. Elsewhere in the house, some visitors have sensed a female presence in the bedchamber, and a lady who was one day admiring the mirror in there – the only original mirror in the house – was startled by the distinctive reflection of Lady Burlington standing behind her. On turning round, however, the lady found that her spectral companion was nowhere to be seen.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohttp://www.london-walks.co.uk/57/haunted-chiswick-ghosts.shtmlAny experiences?

Jim Lawes ● 7406d

Back on the 12th and 13th June on the mighty 1st ABC thread (just do a FORUM SEARCH for FOUNTAIN), we were discussing the idea of bringing back the fountain to the Kew Bridge area...perhaps to the new developement on the west side of the Bridge.It's an impressive piece of sculpture and was planted in the middle of the Kew Bridge road junction long before the current bridge (the 3rd) was opened in 1903 by Edward VII.The fountain provided drinking water for both horses and people and many of us will remember using it ourselves in the 1950's!and perhaps later.Here is a picture of THE FOUNTAIN found in a book called MIDDLESEX  published in 1977 (ISBN 07134 01818). Notice all the wagons lining the road to Brentford where the inpromptu open air street market took place..before the Brentford Market proper was built and opened in 1893..same year as the photo:ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooAll those carts and horses..and the pubs there must have done a roaring trade..and wasn't Thomas Laytons house just there too.Horse drawn trams also used to terminate at the Fountain too..and later the electric ones (from 1901). Doesn't Kew Bridge Station look sad now...wasn't there a recent campaign to smarten it up?Anyway..to facilitate road improvements the Fountain was moved to the Brentford Market site along the road towards the Chiswick Flyover..and then, following the closure, it was uplifted and moved to the new Western International Market in Hayes.Should it be returned?? Well the subject is here on the ABC thread (No2) waiting for the day!!

Jim Lawes ● 7406d