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Sir Keir in deep trouble

We learn today that Lord Mandelson actually failed his American security test undertaken by the Foreign office.When the PM told the House that his newly appointed Ambassador to the USA had undergone all vetting procedures, the implication being he was unaware of Mandelson's improprieties.Some may find it hard to believe the Foreign office would fail to inform the PM of Mandelson's failings immediately they found out.Come Monday Sir Keir will try to prove his innocence, and if it is proved he lied or deceived the House resignation is the only option open to him, even for the distinguished son of a Tool Maker.

Denis I. Fox ● 17d37 Comments

I expect them to do very well in the local elections. Labour will do very badly. How the Greens and Conservatives fare will be of considerable interest.Only two weeks to go.

Andrew Jones ● 10d

“You've come a long way from when you said you didn't know any of their members except Farage, Tice and Anderson.”Quite right, Andrew. In my quest for knowledge and due in part by the encouragement by your good self, I have come a long way in what I have learnt about these people and what drives them and how their views have changed over time. I have also read a great deal about what the general public think about them. I am very interested, as no doubt so are you, as to how they fare in the local elections. I continue to watch and read with interest and am continually amazed.

Steve Taylor ● 10d

Wow, you suddenly know a lot about reform.You've come a long way from when you said you didn't know any of their members except Farage, Tice and Anderson.Back then you said you didn't care about reform members and didn't know anything about them.Let me remind you about some things you said about some of those experienced successful politicians within reform,"I don’t give a toss about Cruella Braverman because she’s history" "I just don’t see Jenrick as having a commanding presence or having any leadership qualities. He just looks like a whimp. Hence I don’t see him as being any kind of threat to Farage. More of a lapdog!" I'll grant you Farage is eloquent when he's surrounded by supporters, less so when he's questioned about promises made by reform to cut taxeshttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/AQnAnn_X7FY

Andrew Jones ● 11d

“Those are the charlatans I'm referring to”So now you are saying that the successful multimillionaire businessmen within Reform all falsely pretend to have special knowledge, skills, or qualifications, typically to deceive others for money, fame, or power. So everyone who does business with them or invests in their companies is just plain stupid or gullible or has lost money  because the were ‘deceived’. And you are saying that the experienced, successful politicians within Reform have all deceived others for money or fame. And you assert that the Leader is a Charlatan just because he is an eloquent politician with vast political experience and leadership qualities, with a very clear vision, who has successfully gained massive support for his views on how to take the country forward! To reiterate - what unadulterated nonsense you write!

Steve Taylor ● 11d

"However, voting for Brexit doesn’t necessarily make someone a charlatan. That’s just unadulterated nonsense!"Totally agree Steve, and not something I said.You wrote "The Reform Leadership seems to consist of extremely successful businessmen and extremely experienced politicians."Those are the charlatans I'm referring to, though not necessarily all of them.Led of course by that biggest charlatan of them all,the Putin loving and apologista Farage.

Andrew Jones ● 11d

There were people in all political parties who believed that Brexit was the best thing for Britain and they voted accordingly. I happen to strongly disagree with them. Brexit was / is terrible for Britain and I am proved right every day. However, voting for Brexit doesn’t necessarily make someone a charlatan. That’s just unadulterated nonsense!

Steve Taylor ● 11d

They are a bunch of brexiteers - are they not charlatans in your view then Steve?

Andrew Jones ● 11d

“ there are still enough people in this country ready to be hoodwinked by the charlatans in reform.”The real charlatans are people in Government; particularly Stammer, Lammy, Reeves, Cooper, McFadden, Jones, Kendall, Phillipson, Millinean, Reed, Kyle and  the fat one who pretends to know about Transport.  Oh and Nandy is just a joke! Totally out of her depth. The Reform Leadership seems to consist of extremely successful businessmen and extremely experienced politicians. Charlatans they are not!

Steve Taylor ● 11d

Not to diminish or denigrate her abilities or competence in any way, but someone on work experience could probably do just as well. It doesn't take that much to make Starmer look a fool and a complete idiot - he manages to do an excellent job all by himself. And even more worrying is people actually voted for him.

Brian Coyle ● 11d

That’s as may be, but if there was a General Election in the coming months, do you think Kemi would be PM when all the votes are cast?I think there are still enough people in this country ready to be hoodwinked by the charlatans in reform.

Andrew Jones ● 12d

He could play one of the occupants of the snake pit in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" orthe lead in a remake of "Snake Eyes"or a part in a remake of "Black Snake Moan" which features a young woman who was the victim of childhood sexual abuse, so could be right up his street.  "Just like a rolling stoneI'm outside looking inBut if your chance came would you take itWhere on earth do I begin?I'm Mandy fly me"

Richard Greenhough ● 12d

“ Because that's what you, a self-confessed non-Reform supporter might well get?”I am particularly impressed by Kemi Badenoch’s destruction of Stammer every week in PMQs. Having said that, Stammer is such a spluttering loser that a junior back bench opposition MP could easily defeat Stammer’s arguments. Kemi, however, manages it with such elegance, eloquence and grace.

Steve Taylor ● 12d

No doubt Mandy will reinvent himself and create a new role for himself.A few that come to mind;The Child Catcher in a remake of *hity *hity Bang Bang.Guest appearances in Would I Lie to You? orI'm a Celebrity Get Him Out of Here! orYes and No Prime Minister orLord of the Ringers orThe Good the Bad and the Revolting

Adrian Irving ● 12d

How is having a government led by the Putin Apologist Farage going to make things better for us Steve? Because that's what you, a self-confessed non-Reform supporter might well get?

Andrew Jones ● 12d

Yes, from bad to worse, did hope for much better, but Keir did keep his word on Ukraine, and think he was right not to get fully involved in another war.

Janice Evans ● 12d

“ Maybe he should stay when we see the alternatives.”There are no alternatives within Labour. We need a General Election to sort out the mess this government has created.

Steve Taylor ● 12d

Thanks for the explanation and clarification Sam.

Andrew Jones ● 12d

Maybe he should stay when we see the alternatives.

Janice Evans ● 12d

You are almost correct about Khan.

Keith Iddon ● 12d

1/3 he survives this year5/2 Rayner takes overSadiq Khan is a bit of a punt at 22/1

Davy Jones ● 12d

Yes and No Andrew - Enoch Powell opposed the American involvement with the Vietnam War. The war had been onoing as a French Colonial War long before the Americans decided to "save the free world". Powell naturally opposed Britain being involved in the Vietnam War. Our involvement in the war was resolutely resisted by our then Labour Prime Minister, Harold Wilson. All part of Britain working out its post-imperial role in the world and developing the complex nature of the "special relationship".

Sam Hearn ● 12d

The head honcho of the Tory Party manages to demolish the caretaker leader of the Labour Party every week during PMQ’s. She has even managed to haul him into parliament today to explain his decision to appoint the known supporter of a convicted paedophile as ambassador to the USA. Let’s see how the worm tries to worm his slimy way out of this one.

Steve Taylor ● 14d

No Mr.Hearn I wasn't trying to exhume that old racist you know very well I was talking about the lightweight who is currently the head honcho of the Tory party.

David Burke ● 14d

Au contraire, Sam has summed up that Putin loving scu**ag perfectly.

Andrew Jones ● 14d

Labour’s Liz Kendall sounded like a total ass on the Laura Kuenssberg show this morning when her attempts to defend Starmer were quite pathetic. Robert Jenrick and the Conservative shadow secretary slaughtered her defence. She must be a total moron to have agreed to appear on the program to try defend the indefensible Starmer. Surely any self respecting minister should now be disassociating themselves with Starmer’s decision to appoint the friend and supporter of the convicted paedophile?

Steve Taylor ● 14d

Sam, great passage.Until your last sentence.

Denis I. Fox ● 14d

“He strongly opposed US involvement in the Vietnam War …”You meant to write UK involvement I think.

Andrew Jones ● 14d

"God knows what Bad Enoch ..... would have got us into."Mr Burke seems to think that Enoch Powell was some slavish follower of American Imperialism, when nothing could be further from the truth.In fact Enoch Powell was often critical of American policies, viewing them as naïve, overreaching, and detrimental to British interests. He strongly opposed US involvement in the Vietnam War, criticized the "special relationship" as illusory, and believed that the US had actively sought to dismantle the British Empire. This did not make Powell anti-American or pro-American. He was simply being logical and clear sighted in his view of American  politicians and their policies.Farage on the other hand is a completely different bucket of barracuda!

Sam Hearn ● 14d

NATO is for peace, not war though.  We had no option with Ukraine and the threat from Putin.  Also must remember Conservatives had Covid and a War to deal with.

Janice Evans ● 16d

Everything achieved in the Middle East was done without Starmer. He has played no effective role whatsoever. Putting his Bestie Mandelson in the USA achieved nothing good either!!!

Steve Taylor ● 16d

Always said I trusted Keir on Global Problems.

Janice Evans ● 16d

You are right David. Don't forget the February figures on the economy. Must be frustrating for him that the war happened.

Nicholas Beard ● 16d

Smiffy thinks he's great..

Michael Brown ● 16d

You're comparing Starmer with that lying toad Johnson.We will have to see how the current situation pans out but I don't see how any one can deny that Starmer has done well in the current middle east crisis particularly dealing with Trump a narcissistic individual who has insulted our Country and it's armed forces.God knows what Bad Enoch and Farage would have got us into.

David Burke ● 16d

'what goes around comes around'

Janice Evans ● 17d

Unfortunately there is no one with leadership ability in Labour but it is a real mess. Now Labour re getting back some of the vile medicine they threw at previous government. They re totally inexperienced and clearly don’t know how to lead anything let alone the country

Jayne Thorburn ● 17d

What a waste of Taxpayers money. Deer Keir being thrown out after spending over £30k of our money buying new furniture for his Downing Street apartment. As one former Labour MP said this morning. Starmer has concentrated on delegating his way out of his responsibilities during his first year in office but now he is openly abdicating his responsibilities. He is just a coward and has no leadership qualities.

Steve Taylor ● 17d