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No David  With respect you don't have an iota of a clue of what my experience is and I'm not sure that 'mansplaining' is the correct word, I thought that had to happen the other way around when I was being patronised.What I was suggesting was that hospitality businesses were I would have thought often better placed than households to create meals from unused and in date etc (most people don't even understand that) food.  Maybe more of them should be applying to defra or the food distribution charities to be accepted on their lists to collect excess food to use.  I have in the past seen requests for applications from defra.There is a Waste Hierarchy which should be being followed  and sending good food directly to be recycled is not following this.  It starts with REDUCE ie we should Reduce Waste.  We in our homes (except some flats) should ALL now have Food Waste Bins (FWBs) and these are for plate scrapings, orange peel, orange skins etc which we do not intend eating (although much of this could be composted one way or another). And just in case you think you can't eat banana peel - here's one of several recipes you might like to experiment with as banana peel is eaten in other countries and as I presume you are some sort of foodie (but maybe I'm wrong):https://thehappyfoodie.co.uk/recipes/nadiya-hussains-banana-peel-curry/Wasting good food that could have been eaten certainly costs households hundreds of pounds..  You can provide free labour or advice if you choose. I'm not asking you to.  I'm sure some people dealing with excess supermarket food will be paid but others will be volunteers.Those working in hospitality will often have good ideas and skills for creating meals out of what they have in stock better than some householders might.  I remember Sam's Brasserie running a competition years ago and the winner said that she would not buy some new food unless she had three recipes for it.  Sometimes it can be difficult to get the other ingredients for a recipe or you just find you are too tired to contemplate trying something new at the end of a hard day's work.I have now looked at your new menu at the Lyric and I noticed that you do have a couple of non-sweet items on it - something I never saw on your old menu in Chiswick.  (I much prefer savoury to sweet and I don't really like coffee - although I try and rink one a day.)  There I toyed with the idea on occasion of pancakes...I was also suggesting that people in general (and that includes me) were perhaps not as good at volunteering as we might be.  Every so often people do talk about their experiences for instance of volunteering and serving Christmas dinner for Crisis at Christmas and I noticed from the local press that Hugh Grant was serving Christmas dinners in Hammersmith this year.

Philippa Bond ● 39d

I don't know what you mean David.  The point was and still is that a lot of good edible food was not being redistributed to food banks and/or reduced in price to sell in store to be used as food for humans or animals but that it was being sent straight to food recycling.  All that effort and input by farmers and producers, all those foodmiles were being put straight into the bin when much of it could be used to feed people in particular at a time when so many are struggling to put food on the table.Yes, we eat readymeals sometimes in fact we ate an M&S curry for 2 over the holiday because I've been ill and can't eat things on toast at the moment - which is the usual quick effortless standby. It was OK but our verdict was that the portions were too large - and if I'd chosen it myself I would have never chosen and cooked that amount or type of rice anyway.  A curry is something that normally I would have created myself but a treat to have it made for me. I tend to use readymeals most as a way to try tasting something different and not a way of life as that is not recommended healthwise.  We will continue cooking from scratch for ourselves for as long as we can.Potatoes, lemons and more eg readymeals and smoked salmon.  The impression is that the food had not been sorted into different types as some of it is definitely more acceptable and reusable with less/any refrigeration than other types.  We don't know why or if they used Neighbourly who is mentioned in the article or tried to use any other local distribution company or group as well for the very large amount of edible food they were wasting.It needs to be more than just a tick-box compliance with any legislation.

Philippa Bond ● 42d

Sit down, folks, I agree with Philippa here.Jenny, there is a very strict protocol for cold chain distribution. Should that chain break, goods are often deemed unusable. Period. Like it or not. This would be particularly true for a large corporate entity where liability is an enormous concern. If anything goes south with regard to an unbroken chain, people would target a large corporate purse before they would do the same for a smaller one. I think this is where efforts to eradicate "use by" and best by" are justified. Common sense seems to have gone out the window. Those practices generate enormous amounts of waste where none need exist. But that's food safety regulation at present. And while it shouldn't vary, it does depending upon who the inspector is that day or in that borough.I've no clue what M&S and others do. But apart from seeing evidence of a food charity pulling up to collect, I see no reason why something similar wouldn't be happening when things go back to a distribution center. As Philippa says, the bins appear to be used not for rubbish but for transport. I thought the same because everything is so neat and organized. Just because they're bins doesn't mean they haven't been cleaned appropriately for the purpose of transport. There could also be a second tier market for, let's call them used, produce hence a potential revenue stream as opposed to a loss. To me a catastrophic failure would have looked like a mish mash of ugly one bin to the next. That's not this.Farmers will grow and outlets will order based upon projections. Perhaps this is evidence not as much was bought this year as last and, again per Philippa, if it is a new site it is highly likely they overordered expecting a higher footfall for the season. Personally I think they missed their window by opening so late into December.

David Lesniak ● 48d

Why would a refrigeration or handling issue automatically mean this food couldn’t be redistributed? Food banks routinely accept food that can’t be sold but is still safe — that is exactly what redistribution schemes exist for. I’ve looked into this since seeing the footage, and M&S are well known for dismissing these issues when questioned. Perhaps something did go wrong, or food was over-ordered — that’s certainly what it looks like — but then what did the farmers grow all this produce for? It’s wasteful and indefensible.Much of what’s shown in these videos becomes contaminated because of how it’s disposed of. If it were genuinely unusable, why wasn’t it at least separated from plastic and composted? Sending tonnes of food straight to landfill is a choice, not an inevitability.This also isn’t an isolated incident. There are dozens of documented cases across multiple M&S stores (and others, I might add), alongside public data showing large-scale, systemic food waste by major retailers. I am a regular M&S customer and have been all my life, but this seriously makes me question their values.I don’t have an “agenda” beyond wanting to understand why enormous amounts of food are destroyed where I live and shop, while food banks, shelters, and homeless people are overwhelmed and going hungry. They could have sold it off for 5p a bag or similar — dismissing that concern instead of addressing it doesn’t change the facts. There’s even someone online who makes jacket potatoes for people in need; a quick cab ride with surplus potatoes wouldn’t have gone amiss.Perhaps it’s worth reassessing where the real agenda lies.

Jenny Smith ● 48d