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SUVs

The thread about collision rates in Chiswick High Road got too long and sidetracked by discussion of the consequences of SUVs on our roads. Is it possible that it isn't just the weight of the vehicles but also the character of the drivers that makes SUVs so dangerous? 
52 year old man taken into custody and murder investigation under way in Paris after he crushed 27 year old cyclist to death under his SUV following an altercation yesterday. The man's 17 year old daughter was with him in the SUV.https://www.liberation.fr/societe/police-justice/a-paris-un-cycliste-de-27-ans-tue-par-un-automobiliste-en-suv-apres-une-altercation-20241016_VFCQEPOQVZF6LGFW3HFPBQFMRE/

Paul Campbell ● 129d275 Comments

“ This has been largely thanks to strong demand for luxury SUVs in markets such as North America and China, as well as in the UK.In April, the company reported an increase in annual sales across its Range Rover, Defender and Discovery brands of nearly 25%, helping to drive revenues and profits up across the business.”

Steve Taylor ● 76d

Sad, no one immediately charged, accidents happen.

N V Brooks ● 76d

A 19 year old man driving a Citroen C2 is killed by a Range Rover Sport driven by a 60 year old woman. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq62grd6v92o

Paul Campbell ● 76d

Should suit cyclists down to the ground then.I had actually got you down to lead the suicide squad, the appropriately titled "Third Mounted Burkes" while the Blue-Badge-weilding SUV drivers could look down in amusement from the heights of Mount Hermon as the the "Third Burkes" tried to convince the T-72 tank drivers that they had right of way. :-)

N V Brooks ● 77d

Good solution, desert roads ,no driving skills required.

David Burke ● 77d

Doubt that the physical fit cycling division  would benefit from any assistance from the blue badge brigade.

David Burke ● 77d

Every suicide squad needs a suitable epithet. I suppose the 'crash test dummies' would also fit.

N V Brooks ● 77d

Now you're getting personal, Mr NV Brooks! Have a good day anyway.

Andrew Jones ● 77d

You have cracked it. A pathfinder squadron of e-bike users is sent ahead to plant red lights all the was from the border to Damascus. On seeing there would be no stopping the Grove Park Lancers and the 3rd Hounslow Suicide XL bullies light armoured division, "The Shrill Robinsons".

N V Brooks ● 77d

I think they have more sense than that. One Chiswick's Judicial Review has more in common with the charge of the light brigade in Crimea.I suppose the lancers could be the charge of the red light brigade.

Andrew Jones ● 77d

Actually, I was rather hoping that the bicycle lancers would emulate the vainglorious success of The Light Brigade in that we could recall, for decades to come, their pointless sacrifice with bewiderment.

N V Brooks ● 77d

You wouldn't want Paul and his lancers to get there first and take all the glory - he'd be insufferable and you'd never hear the end of it.Cyber attack on the traffic lights of Damascus so they are all set to red, diversionary e-bikes running all the red lights distracting the local forum's attention while a crack squad of road markers paint cycle lanes under cover of the night, and a dawn frontal assault led by Field Marshal Steve Taylor, Viscount of Barnes, directing operations from his SUV with attached motorcycle side car is the best plan.You'll all be back by Christmas.

Andrew Jones ● 77d

Any assistance to the troublespots of the world must surely be led by the 1st Battalion the King's Own Grove Park Bicycle Lancers lead by the indomitable Captain Humpty "pearl clutcher' Campbell.  The second SUV squadron can pop up to clear the wreckage.

N V Brooks ● 77d

I reckon the answer to the Syria problem is for everyone to get in their SUVs and drive over there ...

Andrew Jones ● 77d

"so the morons turn to abuse"Just extraordinary.

Mark Frost ● 77d

The truth hurts and upsets them so much so the morons turn to abuse.

Steve Taylor ● 77d

Indeed, straight out of the Janet and John guide to goading.

Mark Frost ● 77d

It's Alice in Wonderland again !

David Burke ● 77d

With tens of thousands of youngsters wanting to get their Drivers Licenses and experience the freedom and adventure that driving allows, it’s fantastic news that this government is recognising that cars must have priority and they are tackling the waiting times for driving tests in England which are currently over 20 weeks. Hopefully this will be reduced to allow more and more people to hit the roads. Hopefully parents will recognise the importance of their children driving safer vehicles and help them to purchase SUVs.

Steve Taylor ● 77d

What killed the person is irrelevant. The motive is important. Why did the person kill the woman?

Steve Taylor ● 78d

ANY large vehicle would be an obvious choice, do keep up. We SUV drivers who abide by the law have nothing to fear from the odd obsessed velovile.

N V Brooks ● 78d

Sure Nigel! I think you've done a great job and your fellow SUV drivers will thank you for pointing out that  SUVs are an obvious choice of murder weapon.

Paul Campbell ● 78d

No, it is obvious that they will select a vehicle to inflict maximum damage while risking little themselves. the all too easily stolen Disco is an obvious choice as would be any larger vehicle. I am not seeking to defend SUVs,  it is you who clutches at straws to demonise them.

N V Brooks ● 78d

So your point is that when somebody wants to commit a murder it is natural that they will select a Land Rover Discovery as their murder weapon?And you think this is a good defence for SUVs?Got it. Thanks. Helpful point to make on this thread.

Paul Campbell ● 78d

Your obsession with SUVs has nothing to do with pre-meditation save that the accused selected and SUV as his 'weapon of choice'. Really poor, and I maen really poor attempt at deflection.

N V Brooks ● 78d

So what? I didn't say there wasn't premeditation. So what's your point?

Paul Campbell ● 78d

Because he selected a vehicle to inflict maximum damage/ injury. The mere fact that he has been charged with murder means that there was premeditation. Do keep up

N V Brooks ● 78d

What does the victims being known to the accused have to do with the fact that he has been charged with her murder and his murder weapon was a Land Rover Discovery?

Paul Campbell ● 78d

Reports that the victim was known to the ccused. But in your world the simple fact that he was driving an SUV is overarching, how sad. Shame that he was not driving an old Mini, in which case you would, for once, have had nothing to demonise.

N V Brooks ● 78d

“Woman pedestrian in her 70s has been left fighting for life after being hit by an e-bike in London.”

Steve Taylor ● 78d

The driver has been charged with murder, attempted murder and driving while disqualified. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/man-23-charged-with-murder-after-mother-of-one-rammed-off-e-bike-in-4x4-hit-and/

Paul Campbell ● 78d

“ report suggests there is more to the story than is currently being published”From what I have read it does indeed appear to be a deliberate road kill

Steve Taylor ● 85d

“From what I see on the roads day to day it is fair to assume the drivers involved in such incidents would be still be involved in such incidents regardless of the vehicle they are in charge of”100% correct assumption.

Steve Taylor ● 85d

That’s been covered extensively and it is well established that SUVs are more dangerous than ordinary cars. And the Discovery appears to be a vehicle of choice for sociopaths.

Paul Campbell ● 85d

From what I see on the roads day to day it is fair to assume the drivers involved in such incidents would be still be involved in such incidents regardless of the vehicle they are in charge of. You can kill a cyclist / pedestrian in a mini just as easily as you can a range rover especially in those cases where the perpetrator seems intent. If curb weight is being considered a factor consider a nissan leaf is as heavy as a skoda kodiaq!

Simeon Gill ● 85d

The report is not suggesting that there is doubt that the driver of a Land Rover Discovery pursued and rammed an e-bike killing Alana.

Paul Campbell ● 85d

A very tragic incident, but the report suggests there is more to the story than is currently being published.

Richard Greenhough ● 85d

Yet another victim murdered by the driver of a Land Rover Discovery. Alana Armstrong, a 25 year old mother of a six year old girl, rammed while riding pillion on an e-bike.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8107z61pno SUVs don't kill people. Their drivers do.

Paul Campbell ● 85d

No one is above the law and, if found guilty, I hope the book is thrown at them. I await the reult of the investigation.

N V Brooks ● 94d

The Met officers involved are under criminal investigation for offences including death by dangerous driving.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy42lxew44o

Paul Campbell ● 94d

I was talking about other parts of the U.K.

Janice Evans ● 105d

I just saw a Porsche SUV outpace a hungry coalition of cheetahs down on Chiswick High Road.  A glorious victory for the SUV and it's wonderful old git of a driver who floored the accelerator pedal and hit 147.5mph before screaming to a stop inches short of the lights at the Goldhawk Road -  where crowds of fellow SUV owners cheered their hero as the cheetahs slunk away, beaten by the amazing speed of this wonderfully safe W4 road car.

Bill Danton ● 105d

Snow chains with claws surely, those fallen leaves can be terribly slippery.

N V Brooks ● 105d

Just hope they've fitted their winter tyres.

David Burke ● 105d

Harvard Hill, the mountain pass between North and South Chiswick, can only be negotiated in a Discovery between the months of November and March.

Paul Campbell ● 105d

Absolutely, some have compared the north end of Fishers Lane to ascending the north face of the Eiger.

Mark Frost ● 105d

Take into account some areas are hilly and in winter with snow and ice you do need a vehicle like that.

Janice Evans ● 105d

My 6 year old grandson gets driven to school in an SUVBut that's in Canada and his school is over 10 miles away and the school bus doesn't go his way.SUV's in England (smaller than Canada)  particularly in cities, really do not belong.More explicitly, anyone driving about in Chiswick in a MASSIVE SUV needs to be called out.  Especially when they are driving alone and looking smug at the wheel.

Bill Danton ● 105d

Wholly inadequate sentence and anyone intentionally causing injury should face an automatic lifetime ban. Fed up with the weak judiciary.

N V Brooks ● 105d

SUV driver mows down teenage pedestrians and reverses over one of them. 
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-driving-home-young-son-30316481

Paul Campbell ● 105d

Thanks for the double bump. Now pull your  knickers up. Again.

Paul Campbell ● 105d

Wind your neck in and GET SOME HELP.

N V Brooks ● 105d

Wind your neck in and GET SOME HELP.

N V Brooks ● 105d

Yeah all posts have to directly relate to the thread title of the OP in the minds of the useful idiots in my CW4 harem. Pull your knickers up Brooksy.

Paul Campbell ● 106d

What's the title of this thread?It's a pickup truck. Talk about an idiot casting aspersions.Put the stones down, you glass house in under threat idiot.

N V Brooks ● 106d

I didn't say it was a SUV. But I knew that the apologist for people killing pedestrians with their stupid cars from my CW4 harem of useful idiots would be along in no time to do what he is programmed to do.

Paul Campbell ● 106d

Very sad but a Mitsubishi L200 is NOT oversized for its intended role and is commonly used by construction trades to transport men and materials. It is most cetainly NOT an SUV.Shame that facts get in the way of your prejudice. GET  HELP SADDO.

N V Brooks ● 106d

Another innocent victim dies after being hit by a driver of a stupid over-sized vehiclehttps://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/scottish-news/24707614.glasgow-woman-hit-pick-up-truck-died-hospital/"The 33-year-old male driver of the pick-up was arrested in connection with road traffic offences and was due to appear at Glasgow Sheriff Court on Monday, November 4."

Paul Campbell ● 106d

Bless, nanny has let you use a new word. Always good to see someone using the Skidmark playbook, you can predict their moves, know that they will never answer a question and that their intellectual bandwidth is so compromised that they can be backed into a corner very easily. It's going to be fun having a new toy with which to play. Playtime's over, off to bed

N V Brooks ● 109d

So you're suggesting Steve's a hybrid?  Half oaf half oik?Mmmm. No wonder he can't get his head around bike lanes.  I imagined he was probably a second hand car dealer.

Bill Danton ● 109d

I think it makes sense. An oaf would pretend they live in Barnes and drive a luxury SUV to their executive job managing a successful professional services business. An oik would be proud of living next to sewage works in Isleworth and the furry dice in their sixth generation BMW 3 series as they razz up and down the M4 selling double glazing.

Paul Campbell ● 109d

You’ve made Ealing’s streets dangerous for children. Your lies in your attempts to apologise for drivers parking to block emergency services demonstrate your character and your credibility on this topic. Cars Uber Lives  for OneEaling. I will be the first to remind you of your responsibility when a child dies at the hands of a driver in a street which you lobbied to make dangerous for children.

Paul Campbell ● 109d

Wise words Mr Brooks (without an e)As a cretin you can't be expected to demonstrate any ability to distinguish the difference between an oaf and an oik.Mr Taylor might seek help from elsewhere.

Bill Danton ● 109d

Here endeth the grammar lesson by and for pillocks.

N V Brooks ● 109d

You can keep making up bullshit until the cows come home Captain Skidmark however the school streets in Ealing were implemented with no fuss, no protests, widescale support from all road users and operate wonderfully. I'm sorry that that doesn't meet your narrow-minded quite often the sick agenda but there you go sometimes someone has to count your bullshit with facts

N V Brooks ● 109d

I think that's right Paul.Looking ever so slightly deeper but not so deep as to bother - I know as fact that Steve is an oaf - but I strongly suspect he's an oaf wanting to be an oik.Which is, of course, impossible.oiks can only be twats whereas oafs can be anything stupid they like except an oik.Does that make sense?

Bill Danton ● 109d

“ you need to read the posts.”Actually I enjoy reading your posts Markie. I’m quite bemused about the fact that you stalk me. It’s weird but funny. Keep it up. I’m happy to humour you.

Steve Taylor ● 109d

Now, after making a big song and dance about not reading you posts he must now be in no man's land as to how to reply.

Mark Frost ● 109d

Generous. When he is isn’t rudely insulting his betters while inhaling the fumes of their waste from his hovel next to the sewage farm, he is copying and pasting twaddle posted by illiterate members of the Reform Party

Paul Campbell ● 109d

If you want to play with the adults son, you need to read the posts. That is how forums work, not just copy and pasting the twaddle you made up last week.

Mark Frost ● 109d

Was astounded to note whilst watching USA election that it’s very difficult to spot any cars on the road that AREN’T SUVs. Seems that just about everyone drives one these days. How wonderful.

Steve Taylor ● 109d

Yep car supremacy. Like you and your friends in Ealing protesting against residents asking the Council to implement traffic management schemes to make their streets safer for their children to go to school. Some Councils bow down to car supremacists in the short term and everybody suffers the consequences in the longer term. It’s only a matter of time before there is blood on the hands of the Ealing car supremacists and the weak Council. And then in this case people deliberately parked blocking access for emergency services because they prioritise their personal convenience over community and society. As drivers do. The family even had to go and knock on doors to get neighbours to move their cars for the hearse to access the road on the day of the funeral. Not abandoned cars. Parked cars. Naturally OneEaling are apologists for this kind of behaviour because they must defend the privileges of drivers at all costs.

Paul Campbell ● 109d

Correction:No GP surgeryNo schoolNo bus service No leisure facilitiesA solitary shop.

N V Brooks ● 109d

Oh dear. How many times do I have to tell you, moron, that I don’t read Skidmark’s  posts because try and garbage.

Steve Taylor ● 109d

Well you'll need to read Paul's post if you want to play.

Mark Frost ● 109d

Rubbish. Try a bit of research Skidmark. The Turf Lodge estate has had problems with abandoned and stolen vehicles since is completed in 1974. The ultimate dumping ground, it was built with a single shop, school or GP surgery. Largely ignored successive pleas for traffic management have been ignored Only in 2020 after decades of campaigning was a traffic management system, incorporating one way streets, proposed. Needless to say, it has jever been built. However, this does not stop an idiot living a life of privilege in leafy West London using it as an example to further his agenda.

N V Brooks ● 109d

And you and the various other members of the Chiswick car lobby do an excellent job almost every day of reminding us of how selfish and uncaring drivers are.

Paul Campbell ● 109d

No it's their selfish ignorance and lack of care that results in the killing from when they are choosing which car to buy to when they are speeding or looking at their phone while driving to when they use their vehicles for short journeys causing pollution and pumping their emissions into the atmosphere to when they park obstructing access for emergency vehicles because it is more convenient for them to stumble a few paces to their doors. They're not conscious. They are zombies.

Paul Campbell ● 109d

“You can almost guess the abominably crass spin Steve will have on this.”Spin on what Markie?

Steve Taylor ● 109d

"Drivers and the myriad ways they find to kill people."Because obviously the first thing on a driver's mind is "How can I kill as many people as possible today"

Chris Blackwell ● 109d

These threads about how we move from A to B, always get a bit over-excited as various ‘Woke Reactionaries’ pitch for attention. Never fails to baffle and amuse me.

Russell Pearson ● 109d

You can almost guess the abominably crass spin Steve will have on this.

Mark Frost ● 109d

“The whole world is against you” -Steve dear, that's straight out of the FSB propaganda book of fairy tales.  Like Putin bellowing again and again that he is fighting an existential war against NATO because EVERYONE wants to crush Russia.  Which is utter Bo**ocks.Mind you Steve, your own brave battle to save the SUV is GENUINELY  existential. Because these cars really are sociopathic monsters and under threat of extinction.  So nobody can accuse you of being half as bad a monumental exaggerator as Vladimir Putin.That's nice innit!Which leaves Musk and Trump. Do you run the Barnes branch of their fan-club?

Bill Danton ● 109d

You're as in touch with fashion as everything else I see. "Despite ruling over much of the early millennium, by around 2014, the velour tracksuit fell out of the style spotlight. With help from TikTok, Juicy Couture’s legendary tracksuit is officially hot again and Gen Z rap girlies like Sexyy Red and Latto have rocked the trend."https://www.billboard.com/culture/lifestyle/juicy-couture-tracksuit-where-to-buy-1235638713/Maybe if you got out of your car more you'd see what is happening beyond your windscreen.

Paul Campbell ● 109d

Family of woman who died blame parked cars for ambulance delays.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6k7n734jgoDrivers and the myriad ways they find to kill people.

Paul Campbell ● 109d

Poor old Skidmark, still living in the 1980s. Velour tracksuits indeed🤣 Now hitch up your loon pants and tuck in your tie-dye

N V Brooks ● 109d

And Skidmark’s skidmarks must be getting wider and browner with the thought of Trump and Musk taking over the world. How will he survive without TwitterX

Steve Taylor ● 109d

Sounds like Bill has been round to your place, Humpty.

Richard Greenhough ● 109d

Dream on losers. It must be terrible being you. The whole world is against you 😂😂😂😂

Steve Taylor ● 109d

Yep bang on Bill.SUVs and garden studios with elaborate gyms that are never used by their velour-track-suited owners would feature heavily in a Birds of a Feather reboot for the 2020s. "a big nob-head man cave with a sweet-smelling air-freshener to keep it clean - or sometimes a mum-cave complete with baby fridge for the Prosecco.    These same oafs often own a whopping great SUV."

Paul Campbell ● 109d

Good one Bill.

David Burke ● 109d

Oh lovely Bill, I see that tou have read Captain Skidmark's book on winning friends and influencing people

N V Brooks ● 109d

My first car, a red Mini, came from Bev Bevan's wife. Bev, as any muso knows, was the drummer for The Move.

N V Brooks ● 109d

You're just miffed that I preferred Steve's smell the roses to your boring “smell the coffee”.But then you spend most of your life being miffed.

Bill Danton ● 109d

"Like the brontosaurus, the SUV big bang is inevitable."I think The Move put it better - "But she can really do the brontosaurusAnd she can scream the heeby-jeebies for usUntil you know what she's really got'Cause she can do it loudBut she can really do the brontosaurusAnd she can scream the heeby-jeebies for usWell, I know she could really rock, she'll do it, do it nowDo it, do it, do it"

Richard Greenhough ● 109d

That's a very long post to say that you haven't clue what you are talking about. Over 30% of vehicle sales in the UK are suvs and continuing to grow. A couple of whiners in Chiswick and a few people committing criminal damage isn't going to change a thing. Get used to it.

N V Brooks ● 109d

I like “Smell the Roses” as a metaphor for the death-knell for the doomed SUV.Vast numbers of suburban oafs have already cut down their roses, pulled up the daffodils and abandoned half their garden to build the “must-have” extension of the age – a big nob-head man cave with a sweet-smelling air-freshener to keep it clean - or sometimes a mum-cave complete with baby fridge for the Prosecco.    These same oafs often own a whopping great SUV.I now see the SUV gradually getting far, far bigger before it finally outgrows itself, outgrows its own environment -  and eventually explodes into oblivion.In a few years the traffic jams in suburban London will be so huge that SUV devotees will be crying out for more and more space whilst waiting for the lights to change.  Futuristic designers at Jaguar and Porsche will quickly oblige.  Passenger seats at the front will turn into a running machine at the flick of a switch.  Why walk anywhere when you can spend hours in the gym whilst doing the  shopping.  Then there'll be a clamour for extra rooms where the vast back seats used to be - perfect for when the AI driver takes the wheel.  The unfortunate kids will soon be locked-up in the playroom with their smart phones whilst dad enjoys an hour on his bespoke en-suite loo whilst mum has her nails done in the 20 square-foot beauty bar - which once upon a time was a car boot.SUV advert in 5 years time - “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”Like the brontosaurus, the SUV big bang is inevitable.

Bill Danton ● 109d

Can’t believe that the inept Met Police are reopening the investigation into Wimbledon school crash. Apparently they didn’t even interview school staff but now more than a year later they want to waste money and cause more stress to the poor lady who suffered a terrible and devastating epileptic episode. Surely she has suffered enough and this investigation will have the same very sad result.

Steve Taylor ● 109d

Cos playing emergency responders. SUV drivers are even weirder than I thought.

Paul Campbell ● 109d

Oooooh dear,are they what you call rapid responce.

Julian Pavey ● 110d

London Ambulance Service has c.140 SUVs.

N V Brooks ● 110d

Londonsairambulance.orgOperationstwo H135 helicoptersnine Volvo XC90s

Julian Pavey ● 110d

Freedom of information request FOI.23.030463Met polie car fleet SUV cars 375"What is the rationale for using SUVs instead of normal cars?" "The rationale for any base vehicle selection is based on a robust commercial process which ensures it meets specific operational requirements and would be determined by multiple technical and commercial factors, e.g. available payload, ground clearance, internal space (for occupants and equipment), occupants vantage point/visibility etc. As well as warranty, environmental, value for money and vehicle delivery lead times."

Julian Pavey ● 110d

They’re safe FOR the occupants, moron. Keep up. SUVs are here to stay. Get over it loser! “There are more than 360 million SUVs on the roads worldwide. In the UK, SUVs make up almost a third of all vehicles. SUVs are popular because they are versatile, spacious, and provide a better view of the road.”

Steve Taylor ● 110d

Morelike.  SUV sales are burgeoning worldwide and will continue to do so as long as people wish to convey their friends and familyin comfort and safety.  Don't forget that the tine Suzuki Ignis is classified as an SUV as is the Smart #1 (hardly a tank). Never mind, keep posting your inaccuracies, always good for a chuckle chap."The tiny clutch of bigoted, egocentric, egomaniacal, self-centred, self regarding, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self seeking,  right-wing car salesmen/women on this forum are doing a brilliant  job of saving the anti-social, downright lethal and ghastly obese SUV from extinction." Hardly a balanced view of the world is it?

N V Brooks ● 110d

The tiny clutch of bigoted, egocentric, egomaniacal, self-centred, self regarding, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self seeking,  right-wing car salesmen/women on this forum are doing a brilliant  job of saving the anti-social, downright lethal and ghastly obese SUV from extinction.“SUVs are SAFE”Safe from what?Wild Rhinos charging up Turnham Green Terrace?Safe from who?Drones?  Assassins?  Incoming ballistic missiles?  Old ladies riding a bike?These 150mph, nearly three tons in weight gigantic, dangerous, anti-social  hoggers of precious road and parking space will be a short-lived blip on London suburban life.Their stupidly proud owners are increasingly despised by far more thoughtful and socially aware neighbours and pedestrians.Their days are numbered.

Bill Danton ● 110d

Can’t believe that the inept Met Police are reopening the investigation into Wimbledon school crash. Apparently they didn’t even interview school staff but now more than a year later they want to waste money and cause more stress to the poor lady who suffered a terrible and devastating epileptic episode. Surely she has suffered enough and this investigation will have the same very sad result.

Steve Taylor ● 110d

Buy an SUV!Every sale brings Captain Skidmark closer to abreakdown.You know it makes sense!

N V Brooks ● 110d

SUV sales are growing every day. They’re getting bigger and better. Fantastic vehicles to explore our planet in style and comfort.

Steve Taylor ● 110d

Jayne, you are as informed on the topic of electric cars as you are on national economics.

Paul Campbell ● 110d

Electric cars isn’t just about infrastructure they are NOT environmentally friendly just starting with batteries. This is not the technology for the future.

Jayne Thorburn ● 110d

"These cars kill Valencians"https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/nov/04/edinburgh-activists-tyre-extinguishers-target-suvs-in-solidarity-with-spains-flood-victims
Anger against the harms that SUVs cause against humanity grows. 

Paul Campbell ● 110d

Yes many people are reverting to petrol again because we don’t have a viable EV infrastructure.

Steve Taylor ● 111d

Interesting electric car sales are well down so much so that manufacturers are closing factories making them. Personally I don’t lithium batteries is the way to go and this form of electric cars won’t survive, the wrong technology. One could argue that lithium batteries are no cleaner than fossil fuels when you factor in how we extract lithium, it’s a finite resource, importing, disposal of batteries etc, this is not the future. Some bright person somewhere on this planet will develop tech that is far more eco, sustainable, etc. then people will convert willingly.

Jayne Thorburn ● 111d

I could be tempted, if I had the cash, by a Rolls Royce Cullinan with a V12. If only to drive it, reving wildly up and down a certain street in Grove Park.In seriousness though my only problem with EV SUVs is range. To get the range  I need I wouuld have to spend north of £100k. I will stick with my hybrid for the moment.

N V Brooks ● 111d

Yes and if you remember I was merely responding to David Turner’s post about a £100k SUV.  I agree with you that having a V8 engine won’t necessarily contribute to its safety.  It just makes it a beautiful beast to drive.

Steve Taylor ● 111d

I didn’t say you suggested anything along those lines.If you remember I said I thought that beyond a certain point, improvements in safety start becoming marginal.Having a V8 engine in an SUV will make it more expensive than the same model with a less powerful engine, but in balance I doubt it’s going to contribute much to overall safety.

Andrew Jones ● 111d

It was a bit of a loaded question and deliberately so.You said your family’s safety was paramount.Now if that’s genuinely true, and it’s more important than all other considerations, then IF, and granted that’s a big IF, an all Electric SUV was the safest vehicle, surely you’d choose that vehicle? Regardless of other inconveniences like having to plan where you recharge the vehicle.Or might it be the case that you’d be prepared to compromise your family’s safety just a tiny bit for the sake of the convenience a hybrid (or solely petrol or diesel fueled) SUV offers?

Andrew Jones ● 111d

“ if the safest SUV out there was a vehicle that was only available as an Electric vehicle, would you automatically choose that one, above an SUV that had a fossil fuel option?”That’s a bit of a loaded question, Andrew. I think any sensible person would want to carefully study all available data in order to make a considered choice. One has to accept, anyway, that fossil fuels won’t be an option one day. At the moment we don’t have the infrastructure to support EVs. Many people are already going back to petrol vehicles because the system doesn’t work for EVs. It’s actually quite chaotic and the promises made by Sadiq Kahn haven’t been met.

Steve Taylor ● 111d

“To me though, it doesn’t follow that a £100k SUV is automatically safer than a £80k SUV.”I don’t believe I ever suggested that, Andrew. Why would you think I did?

Steve Taylor ● 111d

Again Steve you are saying something about me that isn’t true.I don’t view safety as an actuarial valuation (or put money first for that matter).I’m quite happy to accept that an SUV might intrinsically be safer for its occupants to drive around in, if the variable of who is driving it is removed.There seems to be plenty of data out there suggesting that’s the case.To me though, it doesn’t follow that a £100k SUV is automatically safer than a £80k SUV.It might be, or that money may have gone elsewhere, nicer looking wheels, better air conditioning and internal climate control, better entertainment system etc. etc. None of that is going to make the occupants safer in a crash.Now a question for you, if the safest SUV out there was a vehicle that was only available as an Electric vehicle, would you automatically choose that one, above an SUV that had a fossil fuel option?

Andrew Jones ● 111d

Absolutely, tens of millions agree with you. That’s why SUVs are here to stay. They are safe, comfortable and practical. Sales are booming.

Steve Taylor ● 111d

It's not the SUV at fault it's those who drive them is the problem. Most are good, confident safe drivers then you get those who drive them and get easily distracted by other something or someone else or illegally on their phones etc. SUV's are practical large cars and are not dangerous only those irresponsible drivers who put their own egos before everything else. SUV's are the biggest selling vehicles in the US. From my experience, the bigger the vehicle the easier they are to drive; main advantage, your sat higher up than a little Corsa for example givin you more command and visibility of the roads.

Carl Johns ● 111d

“As for keeping you safe, well the increased safety tails off after a certain point,”How crass is that, wow!  Well you may be flippant about your passengers’ safety  but my family’s safety is paramount. You obviously put money first and view safety as an actuarial valuation. Roulette comes to mind.

Steve Taylor ● 112d

If you genuinely consider £5k just a little extra car tax then that puts you in good company with the likes of Lady Downton, but I suspect you are just saying that to wind people up.As for keeping you safe, well the increased safety tails off after a certain point, whereas the increased risk of having your £100k+ vehicle stolen to order is bound to increase your insurance.

Andrew Jones ● 112d

“ I’m guessing anyone who can afford over £100,000 for a new car can stomach a £5k tax for the first year, after which it falls off to £hundreds.”You’re right - people opting for luxurious, safe cars care not a jot about a little extra car tax for a while. It’s a price well worth paying to keep your family as safe as possible.

Steve Taylor ● 113d

“Range Rovers are built in Solihull. The parent company is Indian.”Indeed and India is the future. As a lead member of BRICS  controlling 49% of world population it’s onwards and upwards for India, Russia, China  and South Africa.  The UK is being left out in the cold where it belongs. It was interesting to see even Commonwealth Leaders snubbing the Commonwealth summit in favour of rubbing shoulders with BRICS leaders. They’re following the money and the UK just doesn’t feature in the grand scheme. We will have to suck up ultra hard with our motor vehicle industry.

Steve Taylor ● 113d

Due to the huge slump in cycle sales, whilst SUV sales rocket worldwide, there is zero chance of cycle lanes increasing. This is emphasised by public opinion that cycling is becoming more and more dangerous as motorists become more careless and nonchalant about cyclists and many cyclists are themselves becoming too antagonistic against other cyclists. Many responsible parents will no longer allow their children to cycle on roads or cycle tracks. Who can blame them!

Steve Taylor ● 113d

The Indian company. It’s not the most convincing attempt at employing jingoism to defend the deaths and injuries, pollution and climate change caused by these stupid vehicles but well done for trying.

Paul Campbell ● 114d

Couldn't get my mobility aids in the smaller Lexus and didn't want a 'battleship'.

N V Brooks ● 114d

No, the 2025 spec for the Hyundai Tuscon PHEV (new spec drops 10g/km) with great new safety features.

N V Brooks ● 114d

Lexus? (Q for NV)

David Turner ● 114d

The company employs many British working people.

Richard Greenhough ● 114d

Not yet …. The art of boiling a frog is to do it slowly

Paul Campbell ● 114d

Yep the profits go to their Indian owners and overlords.

Paul Campbell ● 114d

Glad to hear it Steve. The extra income from you should provide some cycle lane funding.I should imagine you can get a section named after your good self.

Mark Frost ● 114d

I’m guessing anyone who can afford over £100,000 for a new car can stomach a £5k tax for the first year, after which it falls off to £hundreds. I’m surprised that VED rates aren’t linked to co2/kg beyond the first year (except for electric). Have I got that right?

David Turner ● 114d

Range Rovers are built in Solihull. The parent company is Indian.

Richard Greenhough ● 114d

I wouldn't have a Range Rover as a gift, unreliable bits of bling.The new SUV I have on order is every bit as comfy, ultra reliable according to surveys, and emits 22 g/km. I mat well have goe full EV if there was better provision in rural West Wales for high speed charging. Range Rover though - no thanks.

N V Brooks ● 114d

Very happy to pay more. It may even reduce numbers on roads to give me more  space but I doubt it. People are clamouring for luxurious drives in superior cars. These beautiful beasts are here to stay.

Steve Taylor ● 114d

Ooh I say, Steve had better get saving.

Mark Frost ● 114d

Range Rovers are Indian and all petrol and diesel manufacturing is about to enter the hospice of motor manufacturing.

Paul Campbell ● 114d

Should we be manufacturing 4-wheeled dinosaurs? Perhaps a better approach might be differential road pricing, with eye-watering rates per mile for these monsters in cities.

Robert Fish ● 114d

Good to see you supporting British manufacturing, Humpty.

Richard Greenhough ● 114d

Budget doubles first year VED for new cars emitting more than 75g CO2 per km. A V8 Range Rover will now cost £5,490 VED in the first year.Gooooooooooood.

Paul Campbell ● 114d

Agreed. But it's nice to read how Claire and Dominic Freemantle injected some interest into their ensuite bathroom.https://thesethreerooms.com/bathrooms/calm-bathroom-design-with-mosaic-tiles-and-bronze-fittings/

Paul Campbell ● 120d

That investigation certainly had an odour about it.

Mark Frost ● 120d

Investigation reopened into crash that killed two schoolgirls in Wimbledon.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy4w6lqp4lo.ampI know that this will be great news for the social justice commentators of Chiswick who were so concerned about the occupation of the cyclist who hit Hilda Griffiths in Regents Park as Claire Freemantle's husband is a senior banker at Morgan Stanley and nobody wants to think that wealthy people might somehow be perverting the course of justice ....

Paul Campbell ● 120d

And many SUV drivers can’t judge distances because the vehicle is too big for them but you can’t blame them for driving a nice big comfortable car which keeps their families safe. Bless them!  And it’s not really such a big deal if they take up some space in the unused cycle lanes or smash a few of those silly wands over. It makes for a ‘fun’ drive!

Steve Taylor ● 122d

Yes it does seem to be a problem with many SUV drivers that they have limited spacial awareness and tend to leave wide gaps when passing stationery cars on their left. I normally gesticulate for them to move across if only to embarrass them for being such bad drivers.

Steve Taylor ● 123d

David, that is a day to day problem with drivers of all cars, it's very annoying having to break for someone who don't stay on their side of the road,  oh I'm not joining in, just highlighting that's a general problem.

Janice Evans ● 123d

Whilst SUV drivers may be safer whilst in their car, the more other people also drive SUVs means everyone, including them, are less safe overall. Because, as others have pointed out, accidents with SUVs cause more damage, injuries, deaths. On a personal level my main complaint about SUVs is that they seem to encourage some drivers to drive down the middle of the road. Does driving one mean the loss of an ability to gauge the width of one’s vehicle?

David Turner ● 123d

It’s an apt slip 😂😂

Steve Taylor ● 123d

Is 'holy on SUVs' some sort of Freudian slip?

Philippa Bond ● 123d

No one with an ounce of intelligence has ever taken Paul Campbell seriously. I always look out for his posts on here as they are an endless source of comedic delight , although the level of self righteous bile and vitriol he spews is hard to take. He must be a very unhappy person. This whole thread makes me want to rush out and purchase an SUV just to piss him off further .

Sarah Potter ● 124d

"That is exactly what the dinosaurs shouted to each other.."Not only a revolutionary, but also a time traveller.

Richard Greenhough ● 124d

Speaks a man who has obviously never wanted to can't a load of computer gear during the week or stuff to the dump or from Ikea at the weekend in comfort in the full knowledge that the car would get there without breaking down, unlike the crap that would be in production at Dagenham or Longbridgeidge at the time. Along with the fact that you drove of Volvo knowing that the occupants would be safe.  Over the years I owned six Volvos two saloons and four estates. Not the most frugal of cars but all were supremely comfortable

N V Brooks ● 124d

It did come true. You’re here aren’t you?

Steve Taylor ● 124d

" They are here to stay"That is exactly what the dinosaurs shouted to each other again and again and again - as if the more times they said it and the louder they shouted, the more certain they'd be that it would come true.

Bill Danton ● 124d

“ They are now focusing holy on SUVs which really rather betrays the concept of Jaguar.”It does betray the concept but they have moved with the times and appreciate that SUVs are the most popular style of car and they are here to stay.

Steve Taylor ● 124d

On reflection Robert, I fear I have done a disservice to the Rover 2000. I do have a flimsy excuse.  I had an Uncle Jack who sold his Singer Vogue in the mid 60s and rolled up for Sunday lunch in a brand new midnight blue Rover 2000.Along with Aunt Lily who was a bit of a snob.They weren't the best company.

Bill Danton ● 124d

Ah Bill, then you obviously never had the opportunity to drive a Rover 2000. It was totally different from any other Rover of the period. Superb handling, without any compromise in ride comfort. Whereas the P4 and P5 models were still using a live rear axle with leaf springs in the 1960s, the Rover 2000 had independent rear suspension, with a de Dion tube. And it was no slouch!

Robert Fish ● 124d

I have to agree with you on the new Jags. The last true saloon rolled off the production line at the end of August, very sad. They are now focusing holy on SUVs which really rather betrays the concept of Jaguar. Very envious of anybody who owned an SP250 or a Daimler Dart. I still dream of owning an AC Aceca or a Bristol 411.

N V Brooks ● 124d

That's  right Richard, I remember that too. But I'd never have wanted to drive a Rover - and as for a Volvo yuk.

Bill Danton ● 124d

"I never bought a car to "FEEL SAFE". What a peculiar concept."It was a sales point for the Rover 2000 in the 1960s and for Volvos for many years.

Richard Greenhough ● 124d

I had an XK150 in the mid 70s. What I'd call a fun car. But I never bought a car to "FEEL SAFE". What a peculiar concept.  I also spent a few years with an SP250 convertible.  And a few more with a Healey 3000.  That was all back in the golden age of British motoring. Possibly a 20 year period until the road arteries clogged up. Nowadays I don't drive in town.There's a Jag SUV parked near me with the lines of an overweight elephant. It probably goes as fast as an E-type but I wouldn't call it a proper Jag.  Maybe they sell big in America. Maybe the Americans see them as a natural successor to the Lincoln Continental. After all, they've  a tradition for monster cars and they're not exactly short of space.I'm beginning to think about SUVs.

Bill Danton ● 124d

“ SUV production and sales are growing in France”Of course they are. And sales continue to grow world wide. Every sensible person, who can afford it, is opting for these safer fun cars. There’s no stopping the sales boom.

Steve Taylor ● 124d

SUV production and sales are growing in France, just because the left-wing Parisien mayor has banned vehicles over a certain weight (currently being challenged in the courts) doesn't actually mean jack-shit.Revenue is expected to show  annual growth rate (CAGR 2024-2029)  resulting in a projected market volume of US$23,420m by 2029. Source: Statista.Poor old Humpty/Skidmark/Grove Park Gnome - WRONG AGAIN!

N V Brooks ● 125d

I don’t read Skidmark Campbean’s posts because he spews vitriol and catastrophises but I assume from replies that he is playing violins over an incident in France. If he thinks the French will do anything about SUV sales he will just get more frustrated. The right wing are taking over France and will never allow any Socialist faction to try to limit SUV use and ruin the economy. The SUV is here to stay; UK, France, USA - across the world. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs therapy because they will get very depressed when they see sales soar again.

Steve Taylor ● 125d

The unmarked police car was an SUV so what. Most MPS vehicles are now either estate cars or SUVs for operational and practically reasons.So, five people died today driving the 34 million cars on UK roads proving how remarkably safe UK roads are. Accidents happen. Not callous just realistic.

N V Brooks ● 125d

The pregnant woman and her unborn child were killed by the driver of a SUV. This is an indisputable fact. The argument that drivers are accidentally killing 5 people every day and seriously injuring another 80 is not making your case in the way that you think it is. “Oops we killed another 5 people today and we will inadvertently do so again tomorrow. Bad luck victims and their families”. French cycling organisations are being inundated with thousands of reports of everyday road violence and abuse perpetrated by drivers as a result of the Paul Varry case and are presenting these to the authorities as part of their call for radical action against cars and especially SUV drivers. They are determined that Paul Varry’s name will be synonymous with the moment road safety was prioritised over the convenience and selfishness of drivers in France. British cycling organisations are watching with great interest.

Paul Campbell ● 125d

Once again, you are selective in your reading. There are around five fatalities every day on UK roads, this includes you are accidents and there were always be pure accidents and this proves absolutely nothing to support your blinkered view of motorists, of which you are one. You cite the death of a woman and her unborn child in southeast London, her vehicle was struck by an unmarked police car and this matter is under investigation by the IPCC. If you believe that you know the cause of this as you seem to intimate, why not present your evidence to the IPCC or is this just another piece of blinkered overreaction on your part? Incidentally, road casualties in the Netherlands are still significantly higher than in the UK, which has the lowest rate of any major European nation .

N V Brooks ● 125d

The French protestors are objecting to violence perpetrated by drivers. They are their words and their protests. In this country drivers kill 5 people every day and seriously injure another 80.  Every single day. And we have seen the tragic deaths of a teenager in East London and a pregnant woman and her unborn child in South East London  just this week. If cyclists had been responsible for killing these people there would be uproar and calls for bikes to be banned from London roads Society will not tolerate these deaths as collateral damage for much longer. This is what happened in the Netherlands in the early 70s when Mums said enough children had been killed by drivers. Today it is France. Tomorrow ….

Paul Campbell ● 125d

Totalment hors de propos.You really do need to take your medication if you think the actions of one French maniac are indicative of the normal behaviour of every SUV driver. Try to get some perspective in your life before you're over catastrophising destroys you mentally.

N V Brooks ● 125d

Only in France…

Jayne Thorburn ● 125d

The post above is visible on new.chiswickw4.com.The old forum can't cope with multiple images. In this case depicting the gatherings of crowds in cities and towns across France to pay respects to Paul Varry, the 27 year old man savagely murdered. By a Mercedes SUV driver, and protesting against the road violence perpetrated by drivers in general. 

Paul Campbell ● 125d

Oh dear, it appears Paul is incapable of reading more than the topic line.I will repeat my last sentence of my original post"And the evidence is clear, the increase in the front height of an SUV is definitely bad for the safety of other road users"

Justin Stephenson ● 125d

Paul's latest contribution to this thread is about as erudite and accurate as one should expect from him. More of these please Paul.

N V Brooks ● 125d

Crowds gathered in cities and towns across France yesterday evening to pay their respects to Paul Varry, the 27 year old savagely murdered by the driver of a Mercedes SUV in Paris, and to protest against road violence perpetrated by drivers.
A turning point like the Stop de Kindermoord campaign in the Netherlands in the early 70s. France will not go back from this. 

Paul Campbell ● 125d

Forget about demonising SUV owners for buying safer vehicles to transport their families. Focus instead on the criminal cyclists. “ A cyclist who seriously injured a pedestrian after crashing into her "at great speed" on a footpath has been jailed for eight months.Lisa Wade, 46, was sentenced at York Crown Court under the Victorian-era legislation of causing bodily harm by wanton and furious driving.Victim Ruth Kitching, 64, was knocked over and needed hip replacement surgery after the crash”

Steve Taylor ● 126d

As ye sow, so shall ye reap.If, like Campbell, you post misogynistic, ageist, disabled shaming drivel then you deserve it being 'repaid' with interest.

N V Brooks ● 126d

Once again Jim is 100% correct.

Steve Taylor ● 126d

Once again, Jim, you display your bias in singling out PC for censure. What is damaging this forum is not his (sometimes unnecessarily) provocative contributions but rather the malevolence and abusive language of his antagonists.

Robert Fish ● 126d

I'm afraid I do read them because, when I need cheering up, they are extremely amusing.It is entertaining to see him get more and more frustrated with the hand that life has dealt him. I don't normally regale in the misfortune of others but in Campbell's case I will make a happy exception.

N V Brooks ● 126d

I don’t read Cambell’s posts because he spews vitriol and hatred and loves catastrophising with violins. I find replies to his vitriol very amusing because one can see that he is made to look incredibly foolish over and over and over again. Poor sod. He just can’t accept that people will always want to drive safer and more comfortable cars and there is nothing he can do about it. He just gets more and more frustrated with how life has dealt him such terrible blows because he will always be a loser. And to stoop so low as to talk about pregnant  women and cyclists getting hurt by a car is just sick and does him no favours. Does the clown not realise that accidents happen and people get hurt and NOTHING he can do will prevent that. Sensible and caring people will, however, try to keep their families safer by driving safer cars like SUVs. Another moron tried to scare, threaten, annoy, antagonise the sensible SUV owners that they MAY have to pay increased parking charges in the future. Who cares? If it is the price of safety people will gladly pay it.  In the meantime the clowns can play their violins - they are just way out of tune.

Steve Taylor ● 126d

You think it’s politically incorrect to mention that SUV drivers are killing people Jim? What do you think about people who film cyclists cycling in the road when a cycle lane is closed for construction and attempting to shame them on social media by claiming they are refusing to use the cycle lane and being antisocial? As for being abusive you seem to be blind to the rhetoric of the people who share your bigoted views on this forum. I wonder why that is when you profess to care about political correctness?

Paul Campbell ● 126d

Yes SUVs are. Practical,comfortable and safe.

N V Brooks ● 126d

How lovely.

Mark Frost ● 126d

Doesn't PC mean being "politically  correct" and not purposely upsettingor being abusive to other groups who might have opposing views?It seems that this Forum's PCis not PC and is damaging the Forum's popularity.I'm pretty sure a lesser number of folk read this Forum than in the past.

Jim Lawes ● 126d

We have a drive so I won’t be losing any sleep 😂😂😂

Jayne Thorburn ● 127d

Many already do and this has been ZERO deterrent to the enjoyment of driving a safe vehicle. I love the  fact that my hybrid SUV enables me to travel in comfort and safety while emitting 22g of CO2 per Km. Suck it up

N V Brooks ● 127d

Great news Jayne, get two, put one in the freezer for later. A lot of councils are looking at charging to park your monster tank soon so make the most of it. .

Mark Frost ● 127d

What a prize, the good thing is that anytime that an object of ridicule is needed, up you pop right on cue. Thanks Paul, you save so many people so much effort when muppet hunting.

N V Brooks ● 127d

Good grief if there's anyone capable of discerning stupidity simply by looking In The mirror Campbell it's you.

N V Brooks ● 127d

I am honoured, being called a muppet by a total arsehole.

N V Brooks ● 127d

"Does this qualify as carnage or does it prompt our forum psychopaths to have another go at promoting the virtues of these killing machines?"Thank you for answering my question Jayne. I knew I could rely on you. The epitome of the SUV driver.

Paul Campbell ● 127d

The OP was about a young man who had been murdered by a SUV driver! The next post was about a young woman killed by a SUV driver! Maybe there is a point where it is impossible to discern the difference between stupidity and a total absence of compassion.

Paul Campbell ● 127d

Paul get your facts rightDid you know that the Toyota Prius is the most accident-prone car in the UK, with 1,207 crashes for every 100,000 Toyota Priuses on the road?Sport Utility Vehicles (SUVs) tend to have a lower accident rate compared to smaller passenger cars. Their larger size provides better protection in crashes, and their increased visibility on the road helps in avoiding collisions.

Jayne Thorburn ● 127d

SUV’s are excellent vehicles accidents happen for a variety of reasons so to generalise about SUV’s is ridiculous. Any accident whether by a cyclist, motorbike, mini, coach, HGV is horrendous & tragic. They are no more dangerous than any other form of transport.

Jayne Thorburn ● 127d

"You responded to posts about two young people being killed by SUVS with a post celebrating the SUV and its use by the emergency services"No,i responded about SUVs,in your thought process you have decided i responded about two young people. I give up. The good news for you is im not going to respond anymore to this thread because you just make up what you want it to be or be about

Julian Pavey ● 127d

That isn't the topic. The topic is how dangerous they are.

Paul Campbell ● 127d

You responded to posts about two young people being killed by SUVS with a post celebrating the SUV and its use by the emergency services. That is crass at best, cruel in reality. The very next day one of those SUVs being driven by the emergency services killed a pregnant woman and her unborn child in horrific circumstances. Highlighting just how crass and cruel you are. "Your" a joke Julian and you need to reassess your priorities if you do have any compassion.

Paul Campbell ● 127d

I will be open about it, I dislike SUVs, especially large SUVs because for at least 90% of those who drive them large SUVs were designed by people who do not drive for people who should not drive.The idea that SUVs are safer because of the higher seating position is bonkers - as more and more cars have that "SUV stance" ie are higher (and we are rapidly getting there) the perceived advantage of a higher sight line fades unless you get a car that is even more jacked up - when does it end? when the cars are so tall that you need a step ladder to get in and they fall over when they go around corners?  If you cannot see beyond the end of your car either raise the seat or stop driving.There are some good use cases for some SUV.  They are much easier to get in and out of for people whose flexibility is limited, but in most cases that you would see in Chiswick an estate car would be a better option.And the evidence is clear, the increase in the front height of an SUV is definitely bad for the safety of other road users

Justin Stephenson ● 127d

"because you have zero compassion." Being the clairvoyant again i see. Twiddling your fingers again to have something in responce Zero compassion ? Your a joke Toodle-oo

Julian Pavey ● 127d

In the OP:"52 year old man taken into custody and murder investigation under way in Paris after he crushed 27 year old cyclist to death under his SUV following an altercation yesterday. The man's 17 year old daughter was with him in the SUV."The point is that SUV drivers are killing people. Sorry it didn't fit in the topic box for the forum psychopaths and their short attention spans. Unfortunate for you that you shared photos that reinforce the point I am making because you have zero compassion.

Paul Campbell ● 127d

Do you think the IPCC report will conclude that the police were not driving a SUV you muppet?

Paul Campbell ● 127d

"The account of an eyewitness for our forum contributors who are unmoved by the deaths of the 27 tear old and 18 year old mentioned in this thread. Society is not going to tolerate this."No,you made it a SUV subject and people have replied and not about the persons killed.The topic.. SUVsIf you want that responce,then yes, its sad and shocking. But that was not your point. Your point is SUVs and has allways been about SUVs,now and in the past.

Julian Pavey ● 127d

And when the IPCC complete their investigations and report you Campbell, like everyone else on this forum who was not there to witness the incident, will be able to post an educated comment rather than one of your normal anti-car tirades. I am sure that Abu Bakr's statement will be pivotal

N V Brooks ● 127d

The account of an eyewitness for our forum contributors who are unmoved by the deaths of the 27 tear old and 18 year old mentioned in this thread. Society is not going to tolerate this. Abu Bakr, a plumber, told how he had just finished work in a house opposite when he saw an unmarked Volvo, with flashing lights, crash into the woman’s blue VW Polo while she was waiting to turn right into Sutcliffe Park Sports Centre.He said: “The police cars were racing down the road towards the petrol station. I’d estimate they were doing between 70mph and 90mph. My van shook. They didn’t brake at all - they were just hoping she managed to turn in time before they hit her.“The police cars were on the wrong side of the road. The woman’s car flipped three times. One of its wheels came off. It was shocking. I’ve never seen anything like that in my life. I was in tears. She was turning from the main road into the leisure centre.“Everyone heard the bang. Her husband came out of the leisure centre with their other child, aged about four, in his arms. He was holding his wife’s hand and saying her name ‘Mariam’. He was saying ‘she’s pregnant, she’s due next week’.“I think the emergency services did a C-section on her in the road. They book the baby out so we thought the baby had survived. The police officers were in plain clothes. One had a polo shirt that said ‘Monte Carlo Country Club’ on it.”

Paul Campbell ● 127d

Steve Taylor is right about how safe SUVs are. And Julian Pavey is right to point out the police use them. You can smash into a VW Polo with one and survive after killing a pregnant woman and her unborn child who was delivered by emergency c-section at the scene. 
Does this qualify as carnage or does it prompt our forum psychopaths to have another go at promoting the virtues of these killing machines? 
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-eltham-crash-horror-unmarked-33920815.amp

Paul Campbell ● 127d

Could be worse, could be the One Star rated Jeep wrangler.

N V Brooks ● 127d

Yes, driving  an SUV is the best and safest option for both London and Paris. Not if it's a Dacia Duster

Andrew Jones ● 127d

Yes, driving  an SUV is the best and safest option for both London and Paris. In London they will never impose restrictions and in Paris it’s too politically volatile. With the rapid rise of the right wing movements,  the lefties are like retracting escargot not knowing where to spew their slime.  They are so soft and weak that they have already done a backslide whereby they no longer consider the Renault Captur or Peugeot 2008 to be SUVs. By doing so they think they can declare more than half the SUVs in the City as not being SUVs. 😂😂😂

Steve Taylor ● 127d

Worse place ever for me was Zaventem in Belgium. No Entry signs and one-way streets were seemingly only advisory and it was a virtual free-for-all but somehow it worked.  Taxi trips were normally completed witha quick genuflection of gratitude.

N V Brooks ● 127d

I once flew into Paris from Saudi Arabia and found that the special driving skills acquired in Jeddah were just as useful when driving up the Champs Elysee and round the Arc de Triomphe. London is a doddle by comparison.

Richard Greenhough ● 127d

Given the standards of driving in Paris where lane discipline and basic road manners are something yet to be learned I would drive nothing other than an SUV there to protect me and my passengers.

N V Brooks ● 127d

And we dont have a communist Ian Brossat of the french communist party who even suggests the Sacré-Coeur Basilica, be torn down.We clearly know where he sits..Naxt

Julian Pavey ● 127d

London is no where near as bad as Paris….plus of course we are not French 😂😂😂

Jayne Thorburn ● 127d

Caveat emptor"do we still want SUVs in a congested city such as Paris," Ian Brossat, a French senator and former deputy mayor of Paris, said Wednesday. "An outright ban on them should no longer be taboo."

Paul Campbell ● 127d

Yep. Get one of those and you can hold your head high in W4. Doing your bit for the environment and doing your best for the safety of your passengers.

Steve Taylor ● 127d

Porsche Macan Electric Named Sunday Times Car of the Year  The all-electric Porsche Macan has been awarded the prestigious Sunday Times Car of the Year at the annual Motor Awards. This recognition comes as the first electric SUV from Porsche hits showrooms across the UK.
Combining high everyday usability with the performance expected from Porsche, the Macan boasts an impressive range of up to 398 miles and offers up to 639 PS in the Turbo model. Each of the four variants features a 100 kWh battery and is equipped for fast charging at rates up to 270 kW.
The Macan electric not only delivers exceptional performance but also includes practical features such as a maximum towing capacity of 2,000 kg. The judges at the Sunday Times praised the model's seamless

Michael Good ● 127d

“ the cyclist picked himself up, grabbed his bike and rode off. He didn’t check on the girl that was left lying on the road”Yep I thought as much. Par for the course of these scumbag, cowardly hit and run cyclists. Hopefully he was hurt badly enough to remember his crime. And long may he suffer.

Steve Taylor ● 128d

Steve to answer your question the cyclist picked himself up, grabbed his bike and rode off. He didn’t check on the girl that was left lying on the road so it was left  to us drivers who all got out of our cars to check thankfully she was OK luck she was young an elderly person wouldn’t have got off so lightly. So forget bias studies this is just 2 experiences I personally witnessed and never got reported. Cyclist are a danger on the roads fact. SUV’s are one of the the safest forms of travel 🥳🥳🥳🥳

Jayne Thorburn ● 128d

It’s such good news that SUVs have taken over in London and are owning the roads. There’s no stopping them now. They are getting bigger and better.

Steve Taylor ● 128d

"SUV drivers undoubtedly listen to ....Florence And The Machine when sat in traffic.""My Boy Builds Coffins" perhaps ?

Richard Greenhough ● 128d

A Ford? Oh dear. I knew SUV drivers lacked taste and imagination as well as being uncaring and selfish but you really are an extremist.

Paul Campbell ● 128d

Keep guessing. I've driven a lot of different vehicles which is one of the reasons I am qualified to criticise them. SUV drivers undoubtedly listen to Coldplay or Florence And The Machine when sat in traffic.

Paul Campbell ● 128d

"And you got a lucky escape on the Q5. I can tell you that is a real piece of turd to drive."Could that be a clue to the identity of the "Big One" that Humpty is rumoured to drive ? Otherwise, how does he know about its driving abilities ?

Richard Greenhough ● 128d

SUVs are more dangerous Nik. There has been plenty of coverage of the studies proving this in the press and on this forum in the past couple of weeks. I am sorry that you find the facts uncomfortable but there is nothing I can do about it. Anybody who is aware of the facts and chooses to buy and drive a SUV is making a conscious choice to inflict more harm on society. In much the same way as anybody who is not dependent on any type of car and yet chooses to use one for short local journeys instead of walking or cycling or taking PT is selfish and uncaring. Especially for the school run. And you got a lucky escape on the Q5. I can tell you that is a real piece of turd to drive.

Paul Campbell ● 128d

I just heard that in the whole wide world two people died this week after being hit by SUVs when the respective drivers lost control of the vehicles due to some medical issues. On the brighter side many people, including the King’s Men, had a good laugh when a very pink egg fell off a wall and vitriol spewed all over the place.

Steve Taylor ● 128d

Paul.  I have to say that I normally look at your posts from both/ many angles.  But I will say this is the most idiotic post.  How can one car being slightly higher "SUV" mean people only care about themselves. Completely ridiculous.  Every post from now on from you is tainted.

Nik Solomon ● 128d

Don’t feed the Troll. It’s a glutton. It keeps on coming back.

Steve Taylor ● 128d

And the award for, yest again, uttering total bollocks goes to the Gnome of Grove Park. What a pathetic excuse for a 'man'.

N V Brooks ● 128d

I can. Indeed I have already shared the studies myself on this forum and engaged in the ensuing long threads as the car supremacists struggled to cope with the information.I am choosing not to now because you and your opinions are irrelevant. It is probably better for you to pretend that facts that counter your prejudices do not exist and I am content to leave you in your position of ignorance.

Paul Campbell ● 128d

So you just post mentions of "studies" on the forum and then cannot prove they exist. Does anyone still take you seriously ?

Richard Greenhough ● 128d

Chris, do you think that the families of the 27 year old and 18 year old killed this week by SUV drivers are experiencing carnage?SUVs are very revealing aren't they? They show a divide in society between people who care only about themselves and people who care about society. Between those who are oblivious to the casualty toll on our roads and those who are concerned by it. We don't really need the studies that tell us that SUV owners are selfish and uncaring when they are so happy to step forward on forums like this this and confess as much themselves. Let's face it - there is a certain level of psychopathy involved in people using the horrific deaths of two people as an opportunity to promote their view of the virtues of SUVs.

Paul Campbell ● 128d

I have told you before that I am not your secretary and have no interest in proving anything to you.

Paul Campbell ● 128d

“ sat stationary at a pedestrian crossing as a girl started to cross a cyclist wiped her out. “Yep that’s what cyclists do. They are such morons that they don’t know what a pedestrian crossing is. Hope your story had a happy ending and the girl recovered and the criminal cyclist was locked away for a few years. 😂😂

Steve Taylor ● 128d

So you can't provide a link to these "studies". Quelle surprise.

Richard Greenhough ● 128d

That Chris, is because such "carnage" is the result of an over(or under) medicated imagination.  Love the XC90, of the hundred of thousands sold not a single occupant has been killed or seriously injured.

N V Brooks ● 128d

So you can't find them then!Never mind, next time you see a procession of large SUVs winding their way through Grove Park, the big blue Ford SUV at the front will be mine. Followed by a few Hyundais.

N V Brooks ● 128d

You must know by now Taft Cambell spews catastrophes and mayhem. Watch out with all the cycling though. It’s very dangerous. You’d be safer in your Clubman

Steve Taylor ● 128d

The SUV ... I have owned several Range Rovers over the years and eventually Volvo XC90s. Fantastic cars, very safe, loads of room for family and dog and picking up / dropping off kids and friends from early morning rowing regattas etc. I found myself driving far more slowly in an SUV than I did when I owned a Prosche 911. I always bought brand new so the emissions were far lower than most smaller cars. We now own a Mini Countryman which is also classed as an SUV but is easier to park in London.Mainly though we cycle everywhere in Chiswick and have yet to experience the 'carnage' of which Paul speaks.

Chris Blackwell ● 128d

The studies have been shared numerous times on this forum. Maybe if you look for them yourself you will actually register their existence.

Paul Campbell ● 128d

Just for info.  Most "SUV"s are basically a slightly different higher body of a "normal" car.  My wife wanted an SUV a Q5, I said no we got a A4 allroad estate instead which is the same car minus inches of height.. She wanted it  because of the driving position. I taught her how to higher the seat..  They are basically the same. no extra weight just slightly higher so it seems crazy to me to have a binary discussion about an SUV vs a car..  Maybe we should introduce a code or something about crossing roads.  I don't know lets call it the green cross code.

Nik Solomon ● 128d

"We have studies that demonstrate that buyers of more luxury brand vehicles drive more carelessly around pedestrians. And we know that SUVs cause more damage in collisions. And we have studies that show that people who cycle regularly are more socially conscious and community minded."Who is "We" ? Can you provide a link to these studies ?

Richard Greenhough ● 128d

Hilarious, a true story driving home from work one day with the roof off (clearly not an SUV) start patiently in traffic so stationary, suddenly I heard a thud and a cyclist had gone into my bumper and thankfully landed in my back seat so not hurt. Kid you not to the shock of all around. So some cyclists don’t pay any attention at all. Another story different occasion sat stationary at a pedestrian crossing as a girl started to cross a cyclist wiped her out. The other fantastic benefit of an SUV if you have elderly family/friends they find it much easier to get in/out of the car.

Jayne Thorburn ● 128d

We have studies that demonstrate that buyers of more luxury brand vehicles drive more carelessly around pedestrians. And we know that SUVs cause more damage in collisions. And we have studies that show that people who cycle regularly are more socially conscious and community minded. Our forum car supremacists are only helping to reinforce what we already know.

Paul Campbell ● 128d

From Wikipedia "Between 2010 and 2018, SUVs were the second-largest contributor to the global increase in carbon emissions worldwide.[5] Their higher center of gravity increases their risk of rollovers. Their higher front-end profile makes them at least twice as likely to kill pedestrians they hit.[6][7][8] Additionally, the psychological sense of security they provide influences drivers to drive less cautiously.[9]"

Mark Frost ● 128d

Depends what you classify as an SUV. The Fiat 500X, Suzuki Ignis and Vauxhall Crossland, all small cars are classified as SUVS

N V Brooks ● 128d

Looks like Nursey forgot his med again.

N V Brooks ● 128d

“Carnage”.  Oh dear - catastrophising again 😂😂😂😂

Steve Taylor ● 128d

> is the character of the people who buy SUVs that contributes, along with their weight, to the carnage they are causing on our roads?Are you now saying overweight drivers are more dangerous?

Russell Pearson ● 128d

So ignoring the usual suspects with NPD promoting SUVs, back to the original question. Is it possible that it is the character of the people who buy SUVs that contributes, along with their weight, to the carnage they are causing on our roads?More info on the Paris incident from the Guardian. This is harrowing stuff so comes with a warning. The Deputy Mayor of Paris says it best:"Cars can drive you mad. Cars kill". I think that Steve, Jayne , Julian and Nigel help to illustrate his point.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/16/investigation-opened-after-motorist-runs-over-cyclist-in-paris

Paul Campbell ● 129d

How else do you explain Jayne's response to two SUV drivers killing young people? She has responded by saying they are great cars with brilliant sight lines.

Paul Campbell ● 129d

Infantile, but expected, comment. You really do need therapy.

N V Brooks ● 129d

Excellent. Super safe - that’s why the Police spend £millions of taxpayers money to ensure their officers are as safe as possible.  Worldwide use. Fantastic.

Steve Taylor ● 129d

They can come in some pretty colours too

Here is some in action

Julian Pavey ● 129d

Two speed room.

Mark Frost ● 129d

Don’t just dream. Put your mind to it. Buy one, experience it and be amazed. You will have a clear conscience knowing that you have gone for the safest option for your family.

Steve Taylor ● 129d

There is a huge range and they are no more expensive than many other models depending on the manufacturer.

Jayne Thorburn ● 129d

Well, I can only really dream of being in your position Jayne .

Mark Frost ● 129d

They are great cars, better sight line means it’s actually easier to see cyclists, plus generally what’s going on, checking pedestrians, kids, dogs etc. I highly recommend one if anyone is thinking of changing their car. Fantastic on country lanes too. Try driving one you will understand what I am saying.

Jayne Thorburn ● 129d

The two incidents we are discussing in this thread are not accidents. One driver is facing a murder charge and the other death by dangerous driving.

Paul Campbell ● 129d

More evidence of how dangerous it is to cycle and why bicycle sales slump and SUV sales surge. Cyclists risk their lives every day with their irresponsible, dangerous riding while SUV drivers and their passengers stay as safe as possible. The SUV is King of the Road and everyone loves them. Excitement on the roads.

Steve Taylor ● 129d

Jayne is just explaining that the two SUV drivers who killed young people with their vehicles yesterday had a perfect view of their victims before they extinguished their lives.

Paul Campbell ● 129d

A better sight line. What are you aiming at?

Mark Frost ● 129d

If not accidents Mark, what are they? The modern vehicle meets far mor stringent pedestrian safety standards than cars from as recently as 10 years ago following major revisions to the NCAP standards

N V Brooks ● 129d

Suck it up, they’re here to stay!  Sales predicted to increase next year as more and more people are turning to these larger safer cars.“ SUV sales exceeded 1 million in 2023, having increased 23% between 2022 and 2023 and are an increasing share of car sales”

Steve Taylor ● 129d

It comes as no surprise whatsoever to discover that you drive a SUV Jayne. You fit the profile too perfectly.

Paul Campbell ● 129d

Hardly accidents Nigel.

Mark Frost ● 129d

Complete load of rubbish SUV’s are fantastic family vehicles, safer because the driver sits up higher so has better sight line. Dogs fit comfortably in the back highly recommend them.

Jayne Thorburn ● 129d

That would make sense if we had not already received on this forum all the evidence that proves that SUVs are more deadly in collisions than normal cars. We will see an increase in the frequency of accidents involving SUV drivers and an increase in the severity of the damage caused to their victims.

Paul Campbell ● 129d

Totally irrelevant but expected. As 40% of new car registrations are SUV like vehicles then it is logical to expect an increase an increase in accidents involving vehicles classed as such

N V Brooks ● 129d

Closer to home a SUV driver killed an 18 year old woman in Newham yesterday. Mounting the pavement at speed. According to witnesses she was flung 150 metres by the impact. You