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Sir Keir to:• Allow tackled-up geezers into ladies' toilets• Keep borders open and allow the country to continue being flooded with immigrants• Hike taxes up, particularly those that affect middle classes - Inheritance tax etc.• Push forward with the Net Zero scam at a cost of £billions/trillions to bankrupt society Poverty and slavery is the plan for all. Don't let it happen..Vote REFORM

Michael Brown ● 236d80 Comments

Yes, yes, yes but we aren’t talking about the blond bombsite. That’s all history now so not relevant to the UKs future relationship with the US. Interesting that you mention Farage. It could be that he is garnering support for when he is Leader of the Opposition.  Wasn’t aware that lettuce Truss was there. She is so full of her own importance it’s quite astounding. Hasn’t it sunk in that she is probably the most detested woman in the UK?

Steve Taylor ● 223d

We shall see - but I wouldn't bet on it. After all the blond bombsite was so far up Trump's a*se you could hardly see the soles of his feet. And off goes Farage to support the orange one- soon forgot his constituents hasn't he? And of course - there she is - the tw*t that is Truss.

Vanessa Smith ● 223d

Trump is going to walk all over Starmer when he is POTUS. There won’t be any special relationship unless Starmer toes the line. But he is used to being a puppy.

Steve Taylor ● 223d

Andrew,The previous government(s) from 2010 to 2024 were as much to blame as the government before 2010. Why did Sir Starmer with the Lego hair not exercise any diligence in questioning the irregularly large number of prosecutions, by the Post Office? He did not intervene when he headed up the Crown Prosecution Service from 2008 to 2013. The Post Office/Horizon scandal was first revealed in 2009.Andrew, you say "ALL the other convictions were as the result of PRIVATE PROSECUTIONS." Only recently is Sir Starmer with the Lego hair calling for the Post Office to lose its powers to bring private prosecutions. However, as DPP at the CPS he had(has) the authority to take over or end private prosecutions. The Director of Public Prosecutions of CPS “has the right to take over any private prosecution (under section 6(2) of the Prosecution of Offences Act) and either continue with the prosecution or discontinue it.”If the recent TV series Mr Bates Vs. The Post Office had not come out in January 2024, would Sir Starmer with the Lego hair have said anything about the Post Office’s prosecution powers at all? On behalf of the Post Office, he did involve the CPS in a few cases where CPS prosecuted a sub-postmistress, ie. 2010, Regina Vs Seema Misra.This leads me to say, I do not think Sir Starmer with the Lego hair was a critical thinker, when he headed the CPS. Yet he did have the power to prevent these misscarriges of justice. That is why I said in my earlier posts what I said, such as - "Sir Starmer with the Lego hair has been a detached "armchair general" with an authoritarian mindset. He would rather have protected the inbred state with its establishment against the "little people", in the Post Office cases" and "Sir Starmer with the Lego hair is a grey inbred "state knows best" with a Soviet authoritarian mindset administrator. I do not think he is a really critical thinker. He just wants power, and will virtue signal his way to it, along with the Labour Party."

Anthony Hawran ● 223d

Anthony,The independent article you refer to (which may even have been the same one I read before posting) includes the following:Out of the 4 million cases dealt with by the CPS when Keir Starmer was in charge of the DPP/CPS, a total of Three cases resulted in convictions passed on evidence from the horizon system.Aside from these three cases where convictions happened after prosecutions were undertaken by the CPS, ALL the other convictions were as the result of PRIVATE PROSECUTIONS.The previous government were far more to blame about the scandal than the CPS, and the previous government could have done something about it - and they didn't.

Andrew Jones ● 223d

Andrew Jones and John Hall, all this shows is that Sir Starmer with the Lego hair has been a detached "armchair general" with an authoritarian mindset. He would rather have protected the inbred state with its establishment against the "little people", in the Post Office cases, and turn a blind eye to the Jimmy Saville case. Sir Starmer with the Lego hair is a grey inbred "state knows best" with a Soviet authoritarian mindset administrator. I do not think he is a really critical thinker. He just wants power, and will virtue signal his way to it, along with the Labour Party.(04/07/24 20:14:00 Anthony Hawran)Anthony,Keir Starmer had as much to do with allowing the Post Office to run riot as the former government  (possibly less so if truth be told) - the CPS WASN’T involved with the prosecutions that the Post Office undertook.The Government had the power to intervene as the shareholder with the most clout, but they always insisted that the Post Office be allowed to operate  at arms length and didn’t intervene.It’s a scandal, but you are totally barking up wrong tree in holding Starmer responsible.(04/07/24 22:26:00 Andrew Jones)Andrew,Sir Starmer with the Lego hair, as head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) was involved in the prosecution of sub-postmasters. He was part of the justice system, and it massively failed the sub-postmasters.Postmasters prosecuted by CPS while Keir Starmer was in charge (www.independent.co.uk, Wednesday 10 January 2024 18:59 GMT)Why did Sir Starmer with the Lego hair not exercise any diligence in questioning the irregularly large number of prosecutions, by the Post Office? Why did he allow the CPS to act on behalf of the Post Office in some cases?

Anthony Hawran ● 223d

Andrew,Sir Starmer with the Lego hair, as head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) was involved in the prosecution of sub-postmasters. He was part of the justice system, and it massively failed the sub-postmasters.Postmasters prosecuted by CPS while Keir Starmer was in charge (www.independent.co.uk, Wednesday 10 January 2024 18:59 GMT)Why did Sir Starmer with the Lego hair not exercise any diligence in questioning the irregularly large number of prosecutions, by the Post Office? Why did he allow the CPS to act on behalf of the Post Office in some cases?

Anthony Hawran ● 223d

To late Michael.

James Dow ● 228d

Isn’t it hilarious that when you read into Reeves / Starmer plans for growth and spending cuts, be it benefits cuts, no triple lock plus, no increase in child benefits payments, no increase in Defence spend etc etc etc, it seems they are just duplicating Cameron / Osborne’s Austerity Programme.  Same financial restraints but without calling a spade a spade. Hilarious!!

Steve Taylor ● 231d

Liz Truss was elected by the Tory members.  She was hustled out the door after only 48 days which considering the Queen died a couple of days after Liz was elected to be PM hardly gave her time to show what she was about.  This swift eviction of Boris and Liz was undemocratic and utterly disgraceful and I suspect the main reason the Tories have just been thoroughly trounced.  They thoroughly deserved it. The reason they (Boris & Liz) were evicted was because those who truly run the Tory party but remain below the parapet wanted Rishi in the job and were miffed when the voters didnt comply.

V Killick ● 232d

Well Paul, he's changed his mind on a regular basis, it's part of what makes him. I think it's a given.

V Killick ● 232d

'Shame he didn't spot the menace of Jimmy Saville-'Er - remind us which P.M. was it who presided over Savile being given a knighthood? (06/07/24 14:59:00 Vanessa Smith)Margaret Thatcher, in a resigned did confer a knighthood on "jimmy saville",despite having doubts. Even she, as Prime Minister could not withstand the "establishment steamroller" of "Shitehall/Whitehall". I do not think Starmer with the Lego hair, would have been as critical himself, than Margaret Thatcher was.After all, he his a robotic Soviet style yes man, to the nomenklatura of the Civil Service. Whatever else she, Thatcher, did have a more citical/questioning mindset than almost anyone else, irrespective of the party political setup and mindset, in relation to politics and socio/economic issue, in her time in office and beyond.

Anthony Hawran ● 232d

'Shame he didn't spot the menace of Jimmy Saville-'Er - remind us which P.M. was it who presided over Savile being given a knighthood? (06/07/24 14:59:00 Vanessa Smith)Margaret Thatcher, in a resigned did confer a knighthood on "jimmy saville",despite having doubts. Even she, as Prime Minister could not withstand the "establishment steamroller" of "Shitehall/Whitehall". I do not think Starmer with the Lego hair, would have been as critical himself, than Margaret Thatcher was. After all, he his a robotic Soviet style yes man, to the nomenklatura of the Civil Service. Whatever else she, Thatcher, did have a more citical/questioning mindset than almost anyone else, irrespective of the party political setup and mindset, in relation to politics and socio/economic issue, in her time in office and beyond.

Anthony Hawran ● 232d

Throughout the entire election campaign he demonstrated his inability to answer questions. He always changes the subject and went off on his mantra of being poor, father a toolmaker, mother and wife in NHS and how absolutely wonderful he was in convicting the world wide terrorist network members when he was CPS director. It will be embarrassing to see how he is slaughtered when confronted with questions at PM Question Time.

Steve Taylor ● 232d

If you have no principles, best to waffle a bit, ready for the next flip or flop

Russell Pearson ● 232d

It is noticeable that when he talks about change (which he does a lot), he doesn't seem to add "for the better". Changing things does not necessarily improve them.

Richard Greenhough ● 232d

Yes I know but he's always like that, hopefully things will improve.

Janice Evans ● 233d

Thats not my pointIst question of his premiership and he cant answer off the cuff the question in any way. Surely he must have some idea whats coming down the line instead of an answer which in my view says,ive no clue to that question,👀 Next...

Julian Pavey ● 233d

'Shame he didn't spot the menace of Jimmy Saville-'Er - remind us which P.M. was it who presided over Savile being given a knighthood?

Vanessa Smith ● 233d

'In Response To:Poor Vanessa, she seems to have a very strange idea of our electoral system.The last PM who was not elected was c.130 years ago, Archibald Primrose, the 5th Earl of Rosebery whose was PM from March 1894 to June 1895.Since Archibald every PM has been an elected MP.  We do not have a national election for PM, we have 650 local elections which happen on the same day where each constituency elects someone as their MP.  The Prime Minister is simple the person who has the most support (usually but not necessarily the leader of the largest party) in the House of Commons.So it is completely wrong to say that Liz Truss was unelected (elected for the South Norfolk constituency), that Rishi Sunak was unelected (elected for Richmond (Yorks) constituency which this election becomes Richmond & Northallerton).Please try and understand how elections work!!'Great bit of hair splitting there - total B/S but a good try.

Vanessa Smith ● 233d

The economy is stable so they have a good start, early days yet.

Janice Evans ● 233d

Just held his first official goverment press conference.Talked again about honesty and delivery.Ist question"Can you give us one concrete thing you will promise voters that you will deliver in the first 100 days of office."answerThe first thing that has changed is the mindset of service,counrty first goverment second. That change has already happened.Thats the first question and answer from the PM.Im now really if not before wondering if he has a blooming clue off script. Not a great start in my book with dounbts setting in quite quickly to what we are in for

Julian Pavey ● 233d

You are right that some people are unable to restrain themselves from expressing their bitterness at the trouncing of the Conservatives.

Paul Campbell ● 234d

Sorry, Denis, you're being disingenuous. What you actually said was "Shame he didn't spot the menace of Jimmy Saville- when head of the CPS." You implied that, as head of the CPS, he should have been aware of Savile's crimes. This seems to have been intended to recall Johnson's false claim that Starmer failed to prosecute Savile.

Robert Fish ● 234d

Robert, there is nothing truly shameful with me saying it was a pity Sir Keir didn't figure out Jimmy Saville for what he was.

Denis Ian Fox ● 234d

Anthony,Keir Starmer had as much to do with allowing the Post Office to run riot as the former government  (possibly less so if truth be told) - the CPS WASN’T involved with the prosecutions that the Post Office undertook.The Government had the power to intervene as the shareholder with the most clout, but they always insisted that the Post Office be allowed to operate  at arms length and didn’t intervene.It’s a scandal, but you are totally barking up wrong tree in holding Starmer responsible.

Andrew Jones ● 234d

Andrew, you have a perfectly valid point.

Denis Ian Fox ● 234d

Nonsense, Janice. I'd like to think I'm not given to making puerile jokes, silly name-calling and peddling lies when I'm on the back foot.

Robert Fish ● 234d

Robert, they are giving you a taste of your own medicine.

Janice Evans ● 234d

No, Denis, what is truly shameful is that years after Johnson's accusation that Starmer failed to prosecute Savile was proved to be false, you bring it up again. I'm amazed by the pettiness, rancour and dishonesty of several forum contributors, who are clearly depressed at the thought of a thumping Labour victory tonight.

Robert Fish ● 234d

"Do we really know what Sir Legohair stands for?"No we don't because he doesn't even know what he stands for until he is told by his puppet masters.

Steve Taylor ● 234d

"we've endured fourteen years of bloody misery with the lying, incompetent Tories"No we haven't. We've enjoyed years of prosperity and the last couple of years have seen savings interests rocket as well as fantastic stock market increases. Wonderful years

Steve Taylor ● 234d

Andrew Jones and John Hall, all this shows is that Sir Starmer with the Lego hair has been a detached "armchair general" with an authoritarian mindset. He would rather have protected the inbred state with its establishment against the "little people", in the Post Office cases, and turn a blind eye to the Jimmy Saville case. Sir Starmer with the Lego hair is a grey inbred "state knows best" with a Soviet authoritarian mindset administrator. I do not think he is a really critical thinker. He just wants power, and will virtue signal his way to it, along with the Labour Party.

Anthony Hawran ● 234d

Is that the same Jimmy Saville who Thatcher invited to stay for Christmas?

John Hall ● 234d

Poor Vanessa, she seems to have a very strange idea of our electoral system.The last PM who was not elected was c.130 years ago, Archibald Primrose, the 5th Earl of Rosebery whose was PM from March 1894 to June 1895.Since Archibald every PM has been an elected MP.  We do not have a national election for PM, we have 650 local elections which happen on the same day where each constituency elects someone as their MP.  The Prime Minister is simple the person who has the most support (usually but not necessarily the leader of the largest party) in the House of Commons.So it is completely wrong to say that Liz Truss was unelected (elected for the South Norfolk constituency), that Rishi Sunak was unelected (elected for Richmond (Yorks) constituency which this election becomes Richmond & Northallerton).Please try and understand how elections work!!

Justin Stephenson ● 234d

Willing to stand corrected, but one of the reasons for the post office scandal regarding the totally contrived and inappropriate prosecution of post masters was that the Post Office undertook the criminal prosecutions themselves.The Post Office conducting its own prosecutions had been long established as well, long before Keir Starmer appeared on the scene.Out of the 4 million cases dealt with by the CPS when Keir Starmer was in charge of the DPP/CPS, a total of Three cases resulted in convictions passed on evidence from the horizon system.As I said, willing to stand corrected about what I’ve written.

Andrew Jones ● 235d

Vote Tory you know it makes  sense.

James Dow ● 235d

"'Besides the Lego hair of  puppet ‘changed  my mind’ Keir, it’s the sanctimonious, nasal, sermon giving, voice we will have to endure for the next few months while we watch the economy shrink and the stock market go bearish.  He just has zero leadership qualities and exudes no confidence.'I've read some weird things on this Forum but 'Lego hair'? You are even more desperate than Richard to find some fault, just suck it up, we've endured fourteen years of bloody misery with the lying, incompetent Tories and quite frankly you and others who can only whinge on about hair and voices are pathetic, and need to get a life. Go Keir!"(04/07/24 09:33:00 Vanessa Smith)Vanessa, I myself would not vote for Sir Starmer with the Lego hair, or the Labour Party that he leads. On another thread on ealingtoday.co.uk - KATYN MEMORIAL, I set out my reasons why. Please see below part of that thread."In relation to the Katyn Massacre, I believe that if Sir  Starmer with the Lego hair, if he had been in the Soviet system, he would have been a venal Soviet flunkey lackey boy in covering up that massacre, and blaming it on the Soviets one time Nazi allies.Before, and up to the Labour Party's defeat in the 2019 General Election, Sir Starmer with the Lego hair seemed like quite a keen sychophant of the then party leader Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn himself was/is a deluded apologist for Hitler's one time ally in the Moscow Kremlin, and its present incumbent - Vladimir Putin. Sir Starmer with the Lego hair, is now saying that he did not think that Labour would have won that election is devoid of principle and is scarcely believable.If Sir Starmer with the Lego hair had been within the British Establishment during the Cold War, I feel sure he would buckled under Soviet pressure to not establish the Katyn Massacre Memorial.I think that Sir Starmer with the Lego hair has an authoritarian Soviet mindset. It was displayed during the Covid outbreak, when he wanted a more authoritarian severe lockdown, suggesting that he does have not much regard for hard won freedoms and democracy.These freedoms were fought for during World War Two. In contrast, Rishi Sunak did not want the severe lockdown that Sir Starmer with the Lego hair wanted. Therefore, Rishi Sunak has more regard and respect for hard won freedoms and democracy, despite his early departure from the recent D-Day commemorations.Another indicator of Sir Starmer with the Lego hair's  authoritarian Soviet mindset is the way he spent three and a half years blocking Brexit after the Referendum of 2016, and paralysing Parliament.Sorry for straying away from away from original thread, but I do believe that the authoritarian mindset of some people in authority can ultimately lead to events like Katyn." (27/06/24 23:02:00 Anthony Hawran)

Anthony Hawran ● 235d

Shame he didn't spot the menace of Jimmy Saville- when head of the CPS.Or spot the unlikelihood of so many sub-postmasters being on the make- when head of the CPS.Or nominating the ghastly Tom Watson (Operation Midland) for a peerage- when leader of the Labour party.Never mind, he's "Gonna smash the Gangs".

Denis Ian Fox ● 235d

Yes, the highest skilled trade in manufacturing and that his mother was a nurse and the fact that he rose to the highest level in the legal profession. Plenty to be proud of.

David Burke ● 235d

It's sometime obvious that his father was a toolmaker.

Keith Iddon ● 235d

Vanessa, I myself would not vote for Sir Starmer with the Lego hair, or the Labour Party that he leads. On another thread on ealingtoday.co.uk - KATYN MEMORIAL, I set out my reasons why. Please see below part of that thread.In relation to the Katyn Massacre, I believe that if Sir  Starmer with the Lego hair, if he had been in the Soviet system, he would have been a venal Soviet flunkey lackey boy in covering up that massacre, and blaming it on the Soviets one time Nazi allies.Before, and up to the Labour Party's defeat in the 2019 General Election, Sir Starmer with the Lego hair seemed like quite a keen sychophant of the then party leader Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn himself was/is a deluded apologist for Hitler's one time ally in the Moscow Kremlin, and its present incumbent - Vladimir Putin. Sir Starmer with the Lego hair, is now saying that he did not think that Labour would have won that election is devoid of principle and is scarcely believable.If Sir Starmer with the Lego hair had been within the British Establishment during the Cold War, I feel sure he would buckled under Soviet pressure to not establish the Katyn Massacre Memorial.I think that Sir Starmer with the Lego hair has an authoritarian Soviet mindset. It was displayed during the Covid outbreak, when he wanted a more authoritarian severe lockdown, suggesting that he does have not much regard for hard won freedoms and democracy.These freedoms were fought for during World War Two. In contrast, Rishi Sunak did not want the severe lockdown that Sir Starmer with the Lego hair wanted. Therefore, Rishi Sunak has more regard and respect for hard won freedoms and democracy, despite his early departure from the recent D-Day commemorations.Another indicator of Sir Starmer with the Lego hair's  authoritarian Soviet mindset is the way he spent three and a half years blocking Brexit after the Referendum of 2016, and paralysing Parliament.Sorry for straying away from away from original thread, but I do believe that the authoritarian mindset of some people in authority can ultimately lead to events like Katyn.  (27/06/24 23:02:00 Anthony Hawran)

Anthony Hawran ● 235d

I have grave doubts about a 61 year old married man who doesn't know what a woman is.Not to worry, he's "Gonna smash the Gangs".

Denis Ian Fox ● 235d

I thought starmer was out of thunderbirds.

Julian Pavey ● 235d

Do we really know what Sir Legohair stands for? So many flip flops it’s difficult to see any integrity. Thats worrying for a politician about to gain a lot of power, is it not?

Russell Pearson ● 235d

'Besides the Lego hair of  puppet ‘changed  my mind’ Keir, it’s the sanctimonious, nasal, sermon giving, voice we will have to endure for the next few months while we watch the economy shrink and the stock market go bearish.  He just has zero leadership qualities and exudes no confidence.'I've read some weird things on this Forum but 'Lego hair'? You are even more desperate than Richard to find some fault, just suck it up, we've endured fourteen years of bloody misery with the lying, incompetent Tories and quite frankly you and others who can only whinge on about hair and voices are pathetic, and need to get a life. Go Keir!

Vanessa Smith ● 235d

“ Who do you think funds the Tory party?”Everyone knows who funds the Tory Party but who are you actually asking so randomly?

Steve Taylor ● 235d

Who do you think funds the Tory party?

Philippa Bond ● 235d

Besides the Lego hair of  puppet ‘changed  my mind’ Keir, it’s the sanctimonious, nasal, sermon giving, voice we will have to endure for the next few months while we watch the economy shrink and the stock market go bearish.  He just has zero leadership qualities and exudes no confidence. Similar to the Bank of England Governor. Andrew Bailey is just not believable. He exudes no confidence and comes across as incompetent whereas Mark Carney was always believable and spoke with confidence.  One felt you could trust his judgement whereas with Bailey you get the distinct feeling that he has no idea what he is talking about and that he is out of his depth.

Steve Taylor ● 235d

Sir Starmer doesn't inspire much confidence in me either,Anthony.None of them do.We are going to have to watch the election from behind the couch and through our fingers as the prospect of any party,left or right,with too large a majority is not desirable imo.It does seem inevitable however.

Keith Iddon ● 235d

David and Keith, Sir Starmer's hair "styling" reminds me of Lego bricks, and he does come across as a bit robotic. I myself would not vote for him and his party. I think that Sir Starmer with the Lego hair has an authoritarian Soviet mindset. It was displayed during the Covid outbreak, when he wanted a more authoritarian severe lockdown, suggesting that he does have not much regard for hard won freedoms and democracy.These freedoms were fought for during World War Two. In contrast, Rishi Sunak did not want the severe lockdown that Sir Starmer with the Lego hair wanted. Therefore, Rishi Sunak has more regard and respect for hard won freedoms and democracy, despite his early departure from the quite recent D-Day commemorations.Also, under Labour run Ealing Council, in relation to planning applications and development, whenever possible, inorder to meet some perceived goal in their deluded heads they (Labour) will brownnose some developer above them. Whilst at the same time being disingenuous to the people of the L.B. of Ealing. It seems as if the People are beneath them, except perhaps at election time. Getting rid of Planning Notification Letters seems to have been part of this process.If this is how Labour run Ealing Council operate locally, I would not want a national government run by the Labour Party and their leader, Sir Starmer with the Lego hair.

Anthony Hawran ● 235d

“ Fish, Smith and now Murdoch, all backing Labour”Senility rules supreme?

Steve Taylor ● 235d

Do you recommend legoland for stag parties ?

David Burke ● 235d

“ around 100,000 Conservative Party members hadn’t decided that the Prime Minister to succeed Boris Johnson would be the catastrophic Liz Truss.”Absolutely correct. Forget about Partygate and the various corruption scandals and sexual allegations (as terrible as they are) the two people responsible for destroying the Conservative Party are Truss and Kwarteng. There is a generation of people who will never forget the destruction of the economy by those two buffoons. And the fact that they refuse to apologise. Terrible, terrible people.

Steve Taylor ● 235d

soz..Anthony.

Keith Iddon ● 235d

Andrew,do you still play with Lego?

Keith Iddon ● 235d

Sir Starmer with the Lego hair, was born on 2nd September 1962. The 2nd Seprember was/is the anniversary of the start of the Great Fire of London, 1666. Is that a bad omen for Britain, having Sir Starmer with the Lego hair as Prime Minister, if the Labour Party win the General Election tomorrow?

Anthony Hawran ● 235d

On the radio today they were saying that polls are no longer straight polls as such and are all progections using computer systems. Not saying that the polls are wrong as such but they clearly factor in other scenarios to give a percentage. Also they were talking about the number of people who will change ones mind in the dyding second or indeed once in the boothe. Also the number of people who say one thing to others with the intention of voting quite the opposite way. And then we have the numbers of people who may well be so peeved of with them all that the numbers turning out could be lower than forecast. We all know which way its going,but not so much on the numbers of seats while clearly a big swing. Its the reform vote that may well hit labour and con at the same time by those secret or dishonest voters. Its going to be intresting. Atleast this time around we wont have that cry baby owen jones in any studio. But im sure he will be having yet another meltdown on friday morning on his social media platforms given he has ditched starmer and labour.

Julian Pavey ● 236d

Get your facts straight, Richard. Stonehouse was never in Wilson's cabinet. His cabinets weren't a bunch of feuding incompetents. Subsequent Prime Ministers would have died for some of his heavyweight intellects and the divergence of views around the table. Not many cabinets could boast the likes of Dick Crossman, Anthony Crosland, Roy Jenkins and Dennis Healey. Two observations on Tony Benn, as he was subsequently known: first, he was regarded by civil servants as an exceptionally able Minister; and second, he was not responsible for the destruction of the British car industry. BMC was on its uppers when Leyland took it over, and in turn BMLC was bust when the government bailed it out. The situation became worse in 1975, as BLMC lost over 10% of its production owing to industrial action. Cue Margaret Thatcher!"I could go on". Don't - you're talking out of your fundament!

Robert Fish ● 236d

Yes, you could and probably will 'go on and on' Richard, but all those things in the dim and distant past pale into insignificance in the face of the venality of the blond bombsite and 'Partygate', not to mention the dizzy depths of Trussonomics, that's without posh boy Cameron and his ill-fated referendum, another colossal balls-up that has so harmed this country, that led to the rise of the 'swivel eyed loons'and then cornfields skipper May - oh so many to choose from. But, thankfully these things are now consigned to the past, Keir Starmer has work to do and he knows it, unless you are a complete dipstick you will understand nothing is going to happen overnight or without a huge effort, but frankly, as the song says, things can only get better.

Vanessa Smith ● 236d

What a pathetic attempt to justify Wilson's government, Robert. His cabinet were a bunch of feuding incompetents, epitomised by John Stonehouse faking his own death after proving unable to manage in the real world after the fall of Wilson's government. And then there was George Brown, for whom the euphemism "tired and emotional" was coined. And Anthony Wedgwood Benn, who bears considerable responsibility for the destruction of the British car industry. I could go on....

Richard Greenhough ● 236d

Not sure Wilson is the easiest to target..he also started the Open University and gave over 18's(I missed it by 2 years) a vote on Europe after Ted had taken us in.

Keith Iddon ● 236d

Fish, Smith and now Murdoch, all backing Labour - Sun headline tomorrow- ‘ Time for a new manager’

Russell Pearson ● 236d

Dear God, Richard really is plumbing the depths now, what with the blond bombsite suddenly appearing last night in a last ditch attempt at getting the Tory vote out, and now a hardened and sad supporter banging on about something from the 60s they really must be terrified. Just a pity he can't remember Disraeli or Sir Robert Peel as he'd probably be going on about them too! Pathetic and desperate.

Vanessa Smith ● 236d

Paul, his birth sign is Virgo and having been married to a Virgo I knowthey love their leisure time and home comforts, so joking aside you could be right.

Janice Evans ● 236d

Everyone seems to be assuming that no Labour supporters will vote Reform,the same way they assumed they wouldn't vote for Brexit.Huge numbers of Labour supporters voted for Brexit,as they did for Bojo after he lied to them about the now legendary yet diminished promise of'levelling up'.Will the worm turn again..?

Keith Iddon ● 236d

What a pathetically predictable response from you, Richard! I remember well the 1964-70 Wilson administrations, and I have to say you've picked a wholly inappropriate subject for your whataboutery. Wilson isn't in the pantheon of the great C20 Prime Ministers, but he certainly wasn't the worst. I think you must have been too young at the time to be aware of his achievements. His government introduced many groundbreaking social reforms: legalising homosexuality and abortion, abolition of the death penalty and of theatre censorship, and divorce law reform. Above all, he resisted pressure from the US and kept us out of the Vietnam war. His economic policies were less successful, because the unions never really supported his efforts to end industrial strife - they expected a Labour government to be siding with them. He also had to reckon with the hostility of vested interests, which provoked a sterling crisis immediately he assumed office. It's for debate whether he should have devalued in 1964, rather than in 1967, when it was finally forced on him, but he was probably reluctant in 1964 because it would inevitably impoverish working people (by contrast, the impoverishment of working people doesn't seem to have troubled Conservative governments in the last 14 years).

Robert Fish ● 236d

Were you around for the Wilson government in the 1960s, Alastair ?

Richard Greenhough ● 236d

Or:  I wonder how long it will take for Farage to get tired of working and take off with yet another pension added to his collection?  Been there done that.

Philippa Bond ● 236d

'I'm glad to see you didn't put the boot into Theresa May (elected), Vanessa.I suspect, though, that in five year's time you may well be regretting voting Labour.'Well, to be honest Theresa May was of so little consequence 'Brexit means Brexit'?? she wasn't even worth remembering. The damage your beloved Tories have wreaked on this country will take years to repair, there won't be any regrets I assure you.

Vanessa Smith ● 236d

Starmer will have earned his exalted position the right way, through the ballot box, and good luck to him.I look forward to future PMQs when Nigel Farage will hammer him weekly (as the Opposition or more likely, as Reform leader) on ludicrous net zero policies and out of control immigration.

Denis Ian Fox ● 236d

1.  Compulsory sex changes for our children2.  Forcing us all to have immigrants live in our spare rooms3.  Doubling the price of petrol4.  Requisitioning our gardens to grow turnips5.  Making Keir Starmer Dictator for Life and abolishing parliament6.  Royal family to be exiled to the Bahamas7.  Labour camps for prominent Tories8.  War with right-wing France9.  Compulsory vaccinations with mind-chips all round10. Euthanasia for pensioners to save ££

Davey Harris ● 236d

I think the vast majority of people will be delighted to see the end of one of the worst and most damaging governments, by any measure, that we have had in my lifetime.  The lying, corruption and sheer incompetence have been off the scale.  And given our unfit for purpose FPTP system a vote for Reform is likely to damage the Tories and help Labour, so yeah go for it.

Alastair Banton ● 236d

I'm glad to see you didn't put the boot into Theresa May (elected), Vanessa. I suspect, though, that in five year's time you may well be regretting voting Labour.

Richard Greenhough ● 236d

Well, far be it for me to pee on your chips, but the prospect of a Labour Governement after the last appalling fourteen years of rich, entitled, mendacious, generally nasty individuals fills me and mine with delight, at least he will have been elected. The Champagne is chilling in the fridge as I type. Quite frankly if we can survive the inept Cameron, Johnson the sh*t, followed by Truss (unelected) Sunak (also unelected) then Starmer's election is something we will celebrate and welcome with delight.

Vanessa Smith ● 236d

Richie would have had more chance in this election if the around 100,000 Conservative Party members hadn’t decided that the Prime Minister to succeed Boris Johnson would be the catastrophic Liz Truss.

Andrew Jones ● 236d

Richie has come across as a genuinely nice bloke during this campaign. He has been totally honest on his views even if they haven’t been popular. He is in politics because he genuinely loves this country. He could be earning millions by doing something else because he is extremely clever!! Unfortunately his front bench is made up of extremely unlikeable / unbelievable people. There isn’t a ‘nice’ one in the cabinet. The deputy PM and the Home Secretary are particularly unpleasant as is the Business Secretary. The Chancellor is half decent. As for the Labour Shadow Cabinet. Oh dear. Detestable comes to mind.

Steve Taylor ● 236d

If you think the past fourteen years have been bad, then give untrammelled power to Labour and you will find out how much worse it can be. Don't forget that all Labour MPs defending seats - including Ruth Cadbury and Andy Slaughter - were campaigning for Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister only four-and-a-half years ago, as of course was Keir Starmer. What a disaster it would have been if they had succeeded. Starmer may claim he has changed the Labour Party, but he will still have large numbers of MPs from the far left wing with him, decrying British interests and putting up taxes wherever they can. He has kept very quiet on how he will handle relations between the UK and the EU, and while even he probably realises that re-joining as a full member is impracticable and would split his party, that will not stop him being willing to bargain away matters that should properly be under national, rather than supra-national, control. And with France and Germany both swinging to the right, just how close a relationship would be beneficial to the UK remains to be seen. There is only one way to stop Labour and that is to vote Conservative. It may involve a certain gritting of teeth to do so, but wasting a vote on the right-wing loonies of Reform or the left-wing loonies of the Greens or the Workers    parties would be just that - a wasted vote. And quite what the LibDems now stand for is open to debate. Under Sunak the Conservatives have reverted to reasonable moderate economic and social policies and while there is certainly room for improvement, throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not the way to do it. If Labour is the answer, it must be a damned silly question.

Richard Greenhough ● 236d

I wonder if Sir Kier will change his mind about the job if/when he becomes Prime Minister?

Paul Fisher ● 236d

You forgot the Illuminati.

Francis Sheehan ● 236d