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Shoot illegal migrants, say Reform campaigners

For people still thinking about voting reform, the recently published article in the Times might give you food for thought about the sort of people who share a passion for Reform and campaign for them (the political party that is, rather than the concept)

Andrew Jones ● 242d75 Comments

Duh!  She was obviously already brain dead to have stood for Reform in the first place.  What did she expect?  Moron of the first degree.

Steve Taylor ● 236d

Breaking news on BBC website: Reform candidate defects to Tories over 'racist, misogynistic and bigoted' candidates.

Robert Fish ● 237d

Don’t be so silly Corporal Jones. I asked a simple question and Mr Fish has kindly provided the answer. Why would I now question it?

Steve Taylor ● 238d

At least some media outlets aren’t badmouthing Nigel Farage, quite the opposite in fact:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13560133/amp/MoD-NATO-myth-busting-video-Nigel-Farage-Russia-Ukraine-comments.html

Andrew Jones ● 238d

Steve will probably say this is ‘Fake News’

Andrew Jones ● 238d

...and whilst we're on the subject of Reform racism, see this report from the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgk44k4mzxoOnce again, the Reform excuse is conspiracy and "dark forces". Everything comes straight from the Trump playbook.

Robert Fish ● 238d

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/femi-oluwole-journalist-reform-rally-b2571392.html

Robert Fish ● 238d

“ accredited journalist was forcibly removed”What evidence do you have of this ?

Steve Taylor ● 238d

They will have to be very careful now.

Janice Evans ● 238d

A black accredited journalist was forcibly removed from a Reform meeting.  But are we surprised?  Of course not.

Alastair Banton ● 238d

And the result is they won't vote.

Janice Evans ● 238d

He was asked to stand down to make way for Boris I believe, there isfar too much old bull in politics, personally don't like all these attacks onindividuals no matter which party it is, think most people are sick of it.

Janice Evans ● 238d

Just good investigative journalism.

David Burke ● 238d

Farage did an excellent job of hoodwinking 52% of the public the last time he took centre stage and then disappearing leaving us poor saps to suffer the consequences so if it takes an undercover job to stitch him up......good! Very good!In my view he is just getting a taste of his own medicine and he's not liking it. Tough.

Adrian Irving ● 238d

Is that a question? If so, you need one of these: ?

David Roberts ● 238d

I don’t recall having seen undercover filming during a campaign before this.

Steve Taylor ● 238d

Is undercover filming usual practice during campaigning.

Janice Evans ● 239d

“Reform UK has said it has reported Channel 4 to the Electoral Commission, after the broadcaster released footage of an activist campaigning for Nigel Farage using a racial slur to describe Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.Campaigner Andrew Parker also suggested migrants should be used as “target practice” in the recording by an undercover journalist.In a letter to the Electoral Commission, the party’s secretary Adam Richardson claimed it was “entirely evident that Mr Parker was a plant within the Channel 4 news piece”.He added: “The Channel 4 broadcast has clearly been made to harm Reform UK during an election period and this cannot be described as anything short of election interference.””

Steve Taylor ● 239d

I suggest anyone who has not seen it watch it when it's on The guy featured is an actor but he was not employed by channel 4 he was just the guy canvassing for Farage that day in Clacton.  If you loo at his website you will see Mr Parker is a shit actor and could not have pulled it off if employed by Channel 4 as his abuse is as natural as his normal speech he called the present PM an "effing Paki" more than once said "" who comes here should be shot (not just those in boats) he was abusive about women, LGBTQ+ community and the disabled community.  The man is a thoroughly repugnant individual but no different to some Tories I have met before campaigning in elections.  The big difference being Reform did not recruit like minded members they got a recruitment agency to get their candidates like MP is an ordinary job which is why their standing is Company Ltd not Political Party.  When a Political Party does it they recruit like minded people to be members and then those people can put them forward for election.  It has to be the height of stupidity to let Reed employment choose your candidates like temps for the office unless of course the employment agency were given the characteristic's of Racist, homophobic, misogynist white people then Nigel got what he paid for.  Does anyone really want an MP who is chosen like a silver service waiter on a desperate Monday morning when Boris has not come in again?

Caroline Carney ● 239d

That heading just reminds me of the famous to some writing of Pastor Martin Niemoller which obviously ought to be taught and known by a greater number of our population.

Philippa Bond ● 239d

Well my answer is sort the problems out (immigration and housing ) and you won't get peope like Farage. The economy is showing signs  of recovery. Inflation down, mortgage rates will come down.Too late for you Tories though. Job market didn't crash. Improving figures for growth in economy (this weeks figures).I will stop now. Over to you Chiswick

Paul Jennings ● 240d

Yes, I also find Nigel Farage’s stance on Putin and Ukraine very disturbing.

Andrew Jones ● 240d

Andrew, The Tory's will not be weak with Putin, I'm voting on world issuesmostly, Keir I hope will equal that so not too worried so far.

Janice Evans ● 240d

Absolutely Janet, I agree with you.Would you agree with me that the more you know about the true nature of the parties you might consider voting, when making up your mind about who to cast your vote for, the better?

Andrew Jones ● 240d

Paul, I'm with Conservatives this year, a wasted vote I know.

Janice Evans ● 240d

people can vote how they want and shouldn't be put off by others views.

Janice Evans ● 240d

"It's the economy stupid"History tells us that when country's economies are in the dumps and the population see things are going from bad to worse people want a finger to point.In these circumstances men like Farage emerge seizing the opportunity to provide  that finger saying "look that way, there is the source of all your woes. Follow me and I will lead you to a better future!" Farage and his mob have targeted immigrants this time but in truth they aren't the problem. It's the economy stupid.

Adrian Irving ● 240d

Farage has dealt with or is dealing with some undesirables.Not enough for some people it seems.

Paul Jennings ● 240d

Really? You need to ask? It's all about him and his ego.Old saying: 'Lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas'. This is a man who crawls up Trump's backside.

Vanessa Smith ● 240d

Reform has scarcely been visible for the past three years. Now they are in the public eye, some of their activists are seen to hold rather unsavoury views.

Robert Fish ● 240d

How come problems only start when Farage takes over.

Janice Evans ● 240d

That's all you like-minded defenders of the indefensible have to offer is it? 'Whatabout' - as it happens I doubt I ever defended Jeremy Corbyn. You can never, ever give a coherent and thought through reply, no wonder you believe the lies from Farage and his bully boy cronies. And now he's been caught out it's apparently all a fix - oh please! Believe that and you'll believe anything - well you do anyway.

Vanessa Smith ● 240d

So it was o.k to defend Corbyn Vanessa, people can vote however theywant.

Janice Evans ● 240d

I don't believe they do Robert it's just others suggesting that, maybe withUKIP, don't think there have been problems with Reform for past 3 years.

Janice Evans ● 240d

Doubtful logic! No, it merely proves that not all potential Reform voters are racist. But there remains unanswered the question of why Reform seems to attract more racists than other parties.

Robert Fish ● 240d

Those of you who are doing their level best to defend this bunch of a***holes, can make all the excuses you like, what those disgusting men said was the very sort of thing that the Nazis started off saying. Not acceptable in this day and age and certainly not in this country, ignorant, racist, homophobic and pathetic bully-boys, they shame all of us. As for Farage it's all about him and sod the country.

Vanessa Smith ● 240d

Steve, that proves Reform supporters are not racist or it would have made him more popular.

Janice Evans ● 240d

His rant was also directed at Rishi which pushes in another direction.

Janice Evans ● 240d

I'm still not clear as to whether this chap was supposed to be a racist who just happened to be an actor, a non-racist who was paid to act the part of a racist, or perhaps a racist actor who was expressing his personal view. The more I hear of it, the more confusing it becomes.

Colin Jordan ● 240d

Whoever employed the actor has succeeded. Already one poll claims Reform popularity has fallen from 22% to 13%. Do we assume that 13% therefore agree with the views played out by the actor and the views expressed by the three, now sacked, campaigners?  If so, it’s quite scary!

Steve Taylor ● 240d

Focusing away from by Andrew Parker for a second, three other people involved with reform and the Clacton election campaign were ‘sacked’ on Friday according to the independent , also as a consequence of what came out of Channel 4’s undercover ‘investigation’.Whether Andrew Parker’s outburst is simply a dirty trick celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Zinoviev letter or not, Reform have hardly come out of this whiter than white (no pun intended).

Andrew Jones ● 240d

It’s so bleeding obvious. Reform is a magnet for the millions who are totally disillusioned with the Tories and Labour after all the scandals and lies and lack of leadership or direction. Labour just can’t answer simple questions and the Tories are too busy infighting to be taken seriously.

Steve Taylor ● 240d

That the actor was paid to discredit Reform is a conspiracy theory invented by Farage and Tice as a cover-up. Instead of speculating whether Parker was paid, and by whom, we should be asking why Reform is a magnet for people like this.https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/who-is-reform-candidate-andrew-parker-racist-slur-rishi-sunak-3136919#:~:text=Andrew%20Parker%20was%20canvassing%20as,%E2%80%9Ca%20couple%20of%20times%E2%80%9D.

Robert Fish ● 240d

As Keith said would be nice to know who was paying the actor or if he didit himself for some reason.

Janice Evans ● 240d

Actor or not in my experience there are a fair number of people in the UK and Europe who express similar views.I know because unfortunately I have met some of them.

Adrian Irving ● 241d

Sheehan joins Team Desperation..

Michael Brown ● 241d

I have not time for Farage,but I do know that actors will say or do just about anything for money.If he is in someone's employ, I am sure we would all like to know who is paying him.

Keith Iddon ● 241d

The de-bunking appears to be that the racist campaigner has done acting in the past and therefore he's a paid actor.I was the fifth shepherd on the right at my kindergarten's nativity play, am I an actor too?

Francis Sheehan ● 241d

Nigel Farage is an actor ? I'm sure that there must be some suitable parts for him in Shakespeare - Malvolio perhaps ? And there may be a vacancy for a Falstaff after Ian McKellen's dramatic bit of crowd-surfing.

Richard Greenhough ● 241d

I heard on the news this morning that this bloke is an actor.

Keith Iddon ● 241d

channel 4 debunked

Bernard Allen ● 241d

https://youtu.be/hDsQSjx01hg?feature=shared

Bernard Allen ● 241d

"Populism NEVER works. NEVER."Let's hope you are right, and the US electorate rejects Dumbass Donald, the world's leading populist.

Richard Greenhough ● 241d

Reform UK is riddled with racists, fascists and deeply worrying people. See the man who - in Salisbury of all places - praised Putin.But this is very much on brand with anything done by Farage, a hopeless grifter interested only in furthering his own cause. He's done nothing as an MEP, he ran away in fear in the wake of the Brexit vote and now with Reform he's doing nothing but stoking the racist fire.Populism NEVER works. NEVER.

Francis Sheehan ● 241d

Steve - you have indulged in 'whataboutery' in your response. No-one can ever excuse something wrong by falling back on 'well yes, but what about?' The old saying two wrongs etc, springs to mind.In this case the remarks were so appalling and frankly frightening, that there simply is no excusing the idiots spouting them. It was inciting racial hatred. And I'm afraid Farage's p*sspoor excuses for them were just that - p*sspoor, his true colours on show.

Vanessa Smith ● 241d

Lot of worried people.

Janice Evans ● 241d

Reform is not a political party. It is a private limited company.

Stewart Jones ● 241d

It may be ‘old news’ - but I wasn’t aware of it until I read the Times article - if the undercover Channel 4 ‘sting’ (or whatever you want to call it) hadn’t been reported by other outlets, I wouldn’t have known.Was one of the people mentioned, who Nigel has now disowned, previously an aide to Nigel? That was the impression I got from the article.Oh, and as far as I know, Dominic Cummins wasn’t a member of the Conservative Party, but he had a lot of influence. Oh, sorry, that’s old news.

Andrew Jones ● 241d

True Steve.

Janice Evans ● 241d

That's right. Also now electric car production being threatened at Luton and Ellesmere. Also Port Talbot and British Steel. Just two industrial issues facing a future government.

Nicholas Beard ● 241d

This is all old news. It was headline on Ch4  news at 7pm last night and all comments were filmed by Ch4 undercover reporters. Farage was also interviewed on Ch4 news and distanced the Party and himself from the comments stating that they were ‘horrible, horrible, horrible and that the people who made the comments aren’t members of the party. No party is able to control the low lives who support them and every party has had very senior members who have been philanderers, thieves, paedophiles, rapists, anti semites, convicted criminals etc etc. The Lib Dem’s have been the worst at not dealing with such people and trying to sweep it under the carpet.

Steve Taylor ● 241d

Well i thank you for that clarification

Julian Pavey ● 241d

No certainly not. This incident is just another that exposes that racists and homophobes support Reform. And there will be more. As I said. A propos nothing else it also never ceases to amaze me how it is often those people who consider themselves to be the most committed patriots who have the poorest grasp of the English language.

Paul Campbell ● 241d

Campbell even more desperate..

Michael Brown ● 241d

Just to confirm paulAre you suggesting i Julian Pavey is a racist and homophobicPlease confirm for clarification

Julian Pavey ● 241d

Ha,maybe i should have filled out my latest post straight away instead of making a coffee before hitting post and then our local fool turns up again.The voice that knows everything about others but knows nowt

Julian Pavey ● 241d

Hope this isn’t some dog whistle post?

Russell Pearson ● 241d

Our posts crossed Julian. Thanks for your reply.And yes, it wasn’t clear from my header that what I wrote was the title of the Times article. I wasn’t trying to mislead though.

Andrew Jones ● 241d

Interesting to see Julian defending the Reform company from racism considering that he is politically homeless and can personally guarantee that not all racists will vote for them …And this isn’t the first or the last time that out and out racist and homophobic Reform supporters have been exposed and it won’t be the last. It’s probably just a coincidence that some of the most committed velophobes on this forum support a group that hates people because of their colour, nationality or sexual orientation.

Paul Campbell ● 241d

Well they are never going to get my vote anyway as ifImmigration,immigration and nothing else is the solution to everything.

Julian Pavey ● 241d

Jones getting increasingly desperate..

Michael Brown ● 241d

Here’s some of the article:Shoot illegal migrants, say Reform campaignersCanvasser and senior aide to Nigel Farage filmed by Channel 4 making racist remarks, including a slur against Rishi Sunak and saying mosques should be turned into pubsNigel Farage, the leader of Reform UK, said the two men caught on film were “no longer with the campaign”Thursday June 27 2024, 6.50pm, The TimesA campaigner for Nigel Farage has told voters that illegal migrants should be used for Army “target practice” and that mosques should be turned into Wetherspoon pubs.Undercover reporters in Clacton, the seat that the Reform leader is hoping to win, filmed the activist suggesting that people ­crossing the Channel by boat should be shot and ­referring to Rishi Sunak, the prime minister, using a ­racial slur.They also filmed an aide to Farage ­likening gay people to paedophiles and calling them “degenerates”.The revelations come as the party faces fresh claims of widespread sexist and racist behaviour among its election candidates.On Thursday Reform disowned its candidate in Basingstoke after it emerged he had been a member of the BNP. Raymond Saint told The

Andrew Jones ● 241d

I expect you could be right.I have just seen the times headline.That headline does not relate to the facts as far as i can see.Anyway,anyone got any ideas who i can vote for.Ive got loads of LIb Dem mail including a letter addressed to myself. And then yesterday i had a letter addressed to me from rupa Huq.Ive had to google the conservative runner. Anyway,nothing from him yet. He's got about 6 days for his name to go into the hat or be struck off.

Julian Pavey ● 241d

I didn’t say he was running, and I quoted, word for word, the title of the Times article (and said it was a Times article). Are you confident his views aren’t shared by other Reform supporters?No, of course not.

Andrew Jones ● 241d

Just  realisedHes not running,hes a canvasser which makes your header even more deceiving.

Julian Pavey ● 241d

"Shoot illegal migrants, say Reform campaigners" Not seen this until you posted and so i googled it. I think you should post the following  "Reform UK canvasser Andrew Parker told an undercover investigator that people who arrive by small boats should be shot" That is not Reform campaigners but a sole person. Now you can say that maybe many will agree but that is hypothetical. So based on that,your headline is complete rubbish NEXT.............................................

Julian Pavey ● 242d