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Dr Cass Report

Seems that Dr Cass has delivered a very sensitive and considered report re children trans issues. I always found it unbelievable that teachers did not talk with parents of young children that are struggling with their identity. Teacher are there to teach, yes well being is vital but surely the parents must be involved with their own kids. Some young people are so vulnerable for a variety of reasons so as a society we must look out for them, given young children hormone treatment etc. can’t be right. Celebrities promoting anything that can be detrimental to a child’s health is just plain wrong. They should stick to their day job!

Jayne Thorburn ● 319d71 Comments

Problem is the Government is stop in its tracks at trying to run the U.K. andpeople are just sick of it all.

Janice Evans ● 312d

I think we are all in the same boat, pretty shocking state of affairs 😂😂😂

Jayne Thorburn ● 312d

Yes but I can't stand any of them.

Chris Blackwell ● 312d

"Chris, it just sounds like to are trying to find excuses to vote Conservative"If Labour is the answer, it must have been a very silly question.

Richard Greenhough ● 312d

Stick with it Chris don't waste your vote.

Janice Evans ● 312d

Why are we sending aid money to Countries that don't need it, or do they need it ?

Janice Evans ● 312d

Wales is in no better situation under Labour actually think it is worse.

Janice Evans ● 312d

I wish the answer was so simple, Covid has blown a hole in most western countries who are struggling with similar issues. On the one hand the essential financial support provided during Covid has lead to a massive debt, the NHS did the best job they could during this period but it has exposed how  vulnerable the NHS is and has been over many decades. The reality was discussed back in the 80/90s with an aging population, much better medical/ tech interventions, less people working to pay taxes to cover pensions, NHS, social care. Immigration is a challenge because we need vital skills yet struggle with the infrastructure for a growing population. It’s a perfect storm and I don’t hear one politician from any party talking about a vision to address any of the issues. I say again money is not the only answer. The whole structure and societies expectations need to change.

Jayne Thorburn ● 312d

Rather wilfully missing the point, Jayne. Governments choose to spend what money is available on the things they want. This government has been in power for fourteen years - presiding and presumably wanting to erode the infrastructure and faith in public institutions. Why else is the NHS struggling, schools collapsing, social care in such a mess, the asylum processing system failing? I blame the politicians in power for letting this happen on their watch preferring to inflict economic harm on the country in a failed attempt to keep their wretched, immoral, xenophobic party together.

Stewart Jones ● 313d

Chris, it just sounds like to are trying to find excuses to vote Conservative even though you know it’s wrong.

Paul Campbell ● 313d

I am with Chris, trillion  is raised through tax yet all our institutions are just not providing the standard they should. I have said it before money alone does not fix these issues. The systems seem completely broken and have been in decay for decades. It’s like we can’t handle change or politicians are too frightened to make the changes the system needs. Plus of course to change such a massive employer like the NHS takes decades and should not be headed up via politicians. I have lost faith in all politicians and parties.

Jayne Thorburn ● 313d

A simple Google wiil sort out your first point. Or address someone in the Labour Party.

Stewart Jones ● 313d

Meanwhile I still have NO IDEA of Labour's policies or how they intend to implement them. All politicans openly lie. Politics at the moment is reactionary rather than actionary and I don't think for one minute that Labour or anybody else would be any better.

Chris Blackwell ● 313d

I agree that it is equally applicable to the Labour Party should they get in. I disagree totally that all parties are the same. Governments make choices on how to spend money. The party in power is choosing, for example, to spend £2millon on an individual asylum seeker to send him/her to an unsafe country ( as deemed by the UK courts) That is a choice. Not all politicians are untrustworthy. Unfortunately, the UK has been badly served by politicians who openly lie because they do not care.

Stewart Jones ● 313d

The politics of "Your party allowed this to happen" will be equally applicable to Labour (should they get in). All parties are the same, they are all working with the same amount of money, and all politicians are untrustworthy.Also I have absolutely NO IDEA who to vote for ...

Chris Blackwell ● 313d

Jayne, children and young people have been abandoned by the party that you choose to vote for. Letting children fall into poverty,reducing frontline services likely CAMHS -all under too many years of your chosen party in power.  The clues are there.  I do not doubt your sincerity in wanting services in place to support children and young people facing transgender issues but it's hard to balance that with apparently no concern at all for children falling into real poverty,which the party you support has just simply allowed to happen.

Stewart Jones ● 313d

I didn’t vote for this???? I feel genuinely sad for young people who need help and it must be tough for parents too

Jayne Thorburn ● 313d

Just shocking. Absolutely. It is what you voted for though.

Stewart Jones ● 314d

Dr Cass in radio 4, young people appear to have had a very raw deal with mental health support, she claims the debate has become so toxic that mental health services didn’t want to touch the matter. Just shocking that the kids in turmoil didn’t get the support they deserve.

Jayne Thorburn ● 314d

Ha, you are probably correct, but if she thought brindle was a pattern she should have said so, enjoy the sun.

Janice Evans ● 317d

No one said they are always right. My point is that you both were correct up to a point and rather than engaging in a discussion with that person you not only dismissed that individual but proceeded on that basis to judge an entire profession in a very negative way.There are nuances around issues which seem to elude you - evidenced in your response to the subject of this thread.Enough already. I’m going to enjoy the  sunshine

Stewart Jones ● 317d

Teachers are not always right they don't know everything.

Janice Evans ● 317d

There you have it.  You were both right. See, it’s not hard, is it.

Stewart Jones ● 317d

Moisture was incorrect, should read mixture.

Janice Evans ● 317d

On a pet is says a mixture of colours, my reply to the teacher was correct,really not worth arguing about I know I was correct.

Janice Evans ● 317d

You are not wrong but there is a discussion around whether it is a colour or a pattern. There are nuances around many issues, Janice.

Stewart Jones ● 317d

When you google add 'on a pet' it says moisture of colours.

Janice Evans ● 317d

Black/brown and tan.  It said Brindle on his papers.

Janice Evans ● 317d

It states that it's a mixture of browns/tans not a flat colour.

Janice Evans ● 317d

As is par for the course, you are quick to jump to the wrong conclusion. Try Googling ‘Is brindle a colour or a pattern? ‘

Stewart Jones ● 317d

Julians post 12/4 was correct, you have rattled their cage.

Janice Evans ● 317d

What are you talking about being sensitive towards kids???? You really don’t have a clue 😂😂😂😂

Jayne Thorburn ● 317d

With every post you prove me to be right. You just can't help it.

Paul Campbell ● 318d

It was wonderful to hear from a professional that gender issues with children is incredibly sensitive and they should be support mentally rather than medically until they are older and truly understand the consequences of taking medications, surgery etc. common sense prevails

Jayne Thorburn ● 318d

I think you have rather proved Paul's point. No one on your thread has criticised the report. You decided to have a go at teachers rather than accepting that this is very new territory for young people, their parents and a range of professionals. Your motivation was to make a point about your understanding of being 'woke'Better to be woke than asleep.

Stewart Jones ● 318d

Like the euphemism for death, then.

Claire Moran ● 318d

😂😂😂

Steve Taylor ● 318d

Apology accepted.

Stewart Jones ● 318d

One conversation ever with a teacher- that explains a lot.

Stewart Jones ● 318d

Only ever had one conversation with a teacher when we were talking about pets, she ask me what colour my dog was and I said he is brindle, shepromptly told me there was no such colour,  I never bothered with them after that they must all be like Stewart.

Janice Evans ● 318d

Sorry transgender, I did shorten it which I have habit of doing when sending texts,

Janice Evans ● 318d

Stewart tell google, I put in transgend or transition.

Janice Evans ● 318d

I think that’s rather unfair to Janice

Stewart Jones ● 318d

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’It looks like the Campbell influence is spreading.

Richard Greenhough ● 318d

There is no such word

Stewart Jones ● 318d

Or as Terry Pratchett and Steeleye Span put it :"Band of teachers, looked like tinkersSold invisible thingsAlways skintAfter they sold what they hadStill had it, they sold what everyone neededBut often didn't wantKey to the universe, a precious tokenSold to those unaware it was lockedKept apart from all other travelersWith their ragged clothesAnd strange square hatsSleeping under cold cold starsOn the moor and deep in snowHeading for a land too farSee the band of teachers goBright colored tents and patchwork boothsHitched on the commonOut of the wayPatrolled by young apprentice teachersLookin for listeners, who didn't want to payTeachers of math were counting starsAstronomers measured, what they couldLiterary teachers named each oneGeography teachers, lost in the wood"

Richard Greenhough ● 318d

Transgend means those who don't wish to undergo surgery.

Janice Evans ● 318d

Sorry Stewart thought it was the same.

Janice Evans ● 318d

“ my other point is that teachers should be able to talk with parents”No, no, no!  Teachers must stay out of it. They have far too much on their plates. The issue is far too complex for teachers.

Steve Taylor ● 318d

Janice, people do not’transgend’ , they transition.

Stewart Jones ● 318d

I'm off Julian 😉

Janice Evans ● 318d

The part that bothers me is that some children will do things for attentionif not getting attention at home, not all I must add so hope each case isassessed thoroughly.

Janice Evans ● 318d

GrrrRight you lot,your opinion is not valid on this forumGet out of the room,go on,get outLeft,right,left,right left,left,rightSignedCorporal Jones3rd betallion of the chiswickie Lefty lib brigade

Julian Pavey ● 318d

I think that’s the point of the report, it’s about gender identity with children not adults. I totally get some kids would struggle to talk with parents first, my other point is that teachers should be able to talk with parents and not close them out the loop. It’s refreshing that a professional having reviewed all the evidence has provided a transparent and honest report rather than being influenced by woke mentality.

Jayne Thorburn ● 318d

Most teachers are not trained to talk to parents or children about gender issues. Granted, some teachers may also have psychology degrees but they should not be expected to take responsibility for this as well. Parents rely far too much on teachers to do their jobs, i e the job of parenting.

Steve Taylor ● 318d

I did read an article that said adults who transgend are more successfuland fewer regrets than those that transgend at a younger age, so agreesome sort of support until old enough to make the right decision, it's a shame that children cannot talk to parents first but understand as if I hadany sort of problem I wouldn't have been able to discuss it with myparents so they will look for support elsewhere.

Janice Evans ● 318d

Stewart, Humpty decided to use the issue as an excuse for one of his regular attacks on Conservative supporters (and has done so again further down the thread). Why don't you ask him to stick to the issue ?

Richard Greenhough ● 318d

Peter, I agree totally that the lack of proper advice hinders any real support for young people but as this thread demonstrates certain people, for their own reasons, want to make an issue of something that is very personal to young people and their families and can’t stop themselves from needing to have a view.

Stewart Jones ● 319d

Jayne, also please explain how anyone on your thread has been insulting to children/young people?

Stewart Jones ● 319d

You started this thread, Jayne. Why?

Stewart Jones ● 319d

I'm told some of the social media sites and 'influencers' discourage children from sharing with their parents as 'they won't understand'.  Equally, many schools have guidance about respecting students confidentiality.  The main thrust of the report seemed to be that the lack of readily available advice and support creates long waiting times that leave matters unresolved and encourage children and their families to seek help from other sources.

Peter Evans ● 319d

Appalling do you honestly believe that all kids talk everything through with their parents, give me a break. Changing gender is a major step for anyone, children are precious. The role of parents is to protect them as much as possible and in my view a child isn’t in a position to make such a monumental decision at such a tender age. They need support until they mature, please stop being so insulting to children. Feeding a child hormone treatment is neither sensible or in their interest. The report by a professional says it all. So yes I value professional input rather than the back street drivers on this forum that know nothing.

Jayne Thorburn ● 319d

You can just copy their lazy prose and stick into google to find out where they read it that day. Sometimes it is just a derivative Facebook group for reactionary conservatives where another lazy unoriginal reactionary conservative has done it before them. A derivative of a derivative  right-wing culture war trope. More defective the more it gets refracted.

Paul Campbell ● 319d

The clues are there….!

Stewart Jones ● 319d

The other thing about reactionary conservatives is that they are incapable of original thought. Everything they think about anything is planted in their minds by a client journalist at the Mail, Telegraph or Times. They just regurgitate so-called opinion pieces from the right-wing press on forums like this and try to pass them off as their own ideas.

Paul Campbell ● 319d

If parents are unable to have developed a trusting relationship with their own children then who's responsible for that?. Bandwagon.  Jumping on.

Stewart Jones ● 319d

Let's just stick to the issue,Richard. How about that?

Stewart Jones ● 319d

Sorry no idea what you are talking about it must be really hard for a child to talk about gender issues with their parents. Not all parents but some, my point being teachers should be able to talk with parents. Cutting parents out of the equation is plain wrong in my view. Some kids not all obviously can be influenced by trends, the report is by a professional you should read it….nothing to do with politics 🥺🥺

Jayne Thorburn ● 319d

And that is from CW4's leading reactionary velomaniac ! He always disappoints.

Richard Greenhough ● 319d

The report nay be sensitive and considered but the response of nasty  reactionary Conservatives is as insensitive and ill-considered as expected. They never disappoint.

Paul Campbell ● 319d

Why the rush to blame teachers? Shouldn't parents be talking to their own children? And btw a lot of teachers are parents too.You appear keen to swiftly comment on an issue that really needs clinical information and a bit of empathy.

Stewart Jones ● 319d