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Actually, the population of Chiswick was predicted to increase at the time they redrew the ward boundaries with Turnham Green ward anticipated to rise by 18.6% between 2018 and 2024. There were marginal decreases in the other two wards but overall the number of people in the area was anticipated to go up particularly as you got closer to Turnham Green station.The boundaries were redrawn because of the massive increase in population expected in the Brentford area. However, as I have pointed out, this is mainly on the Chiswick side and if Turnham Green had a Piccadilly service it would be the most accessible station on this line for people in these new developments. Therefore, if TfL does prioritise on the basis of relative population growth, the case for a Piccadilly line service is getting stronger.Your dismissive view of 'Little Chiswickians' suggests an unhealthy dislike of your neighbours as every district of London will be arguing for improvements to their local transport provision - we are not unusual in that regard.Although many may be arguing in favour of a stop as it will benefit them personally (and there is nothing wrong with that) there are significant benefits for residents across a wide swathe of west London. As I've said before, not stopping trains at a point where a line splits is an obvious anomaly. Rectifying will shorten a huge range of journeys by people who aren't visiting Chiswick. TfL have recognised this but the benefits aren't going to be delivered until the signalling is funded which may not even be within our life times.

Jeremy Parkinson ● 530d

Michael, I'm not disputing the self-evident point that population density will have an impact on station usage just that I think it is debateable that it is higher at Barons Court than it is at Turnham Green.I doubt very much that population is falling to any significant degree around Turnham Green station although it may well be static. A much bigger factor that may tend to reduce usage of this station is WFH. Many of the people living in that area bought are professionals working in jobs in the city and the West End the kind of which have seen a reduction in daily commuting.If Chiswick's population has been falling that looks set to reverse with the new developments in the area. Also you need to consider that the very high population growth has been in an area of Brentford adjacent to Chiswick and, if Turnham Green was on the Piccadilly line it would be the nearest station on that line. Residents who might currently choose to walk to Gunnersbury and change at Hammersmith would now have the option of a bus and short walk to Turnham Green.A Piccadilly stop at Turnham Green making public transport more efficient for people in Chiswick. It is an anomaly that there is no stop at the point where the District line splits which means there are hundreds of conceivable journeys between many destinations that would be made easier. For example if somebody from Alperton wanted to get to Kew it could take about 15 minutes off the journey time. I'm sorry to say that it is you that has lost perspective if you don't see the significant benefits it would bring to public transport across west London which makes it all the more shame it isn't happening.

Jeremy Parkinson ● 530d

Sadiq Khan doesn't have eight deputy mayors he has ten. Boris Johnson had seven but the latest Mayor added positions for Health and the Creative Industries to the list. On the face of it, this seems like a sensible delegation of responsibility as each role is effectively a full time job given the complexities of managing services in a huge city like London. If you can explain to us why we should be concerned about this structure of governance please do.On the issue of six figure salaries for TfL staff, this also has to be seen in the context of a large and complex organisation. Good managers with experience cost that much and will leave if you don't pay them the market rate plus TfL will have to employ a lot of people with specialist skills - accountants, lawyers, IT professionals for whom they are paying the market rate.I would imagine by far the largest proportion of staff being paid six figures are engineers who, as with the other professions, can't be got on the cheap. The fact that there are some highly paid people at TfL doesn't prove that there is endemic overpaying. If you can provide some actual evidence that this is happening, once again, I am sure people would give it due consideration.Like all large organisations, public sector and private sector, there are bound to be people employed who are not worth what they are paid but you are deluding yourself if TfL could pay for investment in projects like the Piccadilly line by payroll efficiencies. The total annual salary bill for all staff is about the same the total investment cost of the Piccadilly line signalling. Your plan could work but you would have to persuade all employees to turn up for work for a year without pay.Circling back to the original question, it is hopefully dawning on you at this stage that the reason we may never get a full Piccadilly line service is not down to the 'little twerp' but that the government has singled out London as the one region where it was not prepared to cover the transport authorities shortfall in revenue during Covid which meant that investment projects had to be shelved.Quite nakedly this seems to have been a political gambit to try and give the Tory candidate a chance in the next Mayoral election. The latest polls are indicating that it hasn't worked. This means when the new Piccadilly line fleet is introduced it will be during Sadiq Khan's third term.

Jeremy Parkinson ● 549d

I don't think 'managing to survive' is the target that TfL seeks for their customers. Ultimately their mission is to provide us with better public transport options.Many years ago I used to commute on a daily basis to a destination on the Piccadilly line. The District line wasn't great at the time and because of its unreliability I had to allow about 15-20 minutes more travel time than I would have if the Piccadilly line stopped. Most of the time that wasn't necessary but I had to clock in by a certain time so couldn't take the chance. It might not sound much but when you work long hours and have a young family it was hugely frustrating. At the time there was no real option but to live with it.However, times have changed. Then driving as an alternative was never an option but now there are Ubers. If there is no surge pricing and you are travelling with others, a taxi can be cheaper and quicker than getting the tube. TfL can't operate on the basis of its customer 'managing to survive' but has to be aware that there is an alternative.On several occasions in recent years I've travelled into central London by Uber with a group but then we've all come home by tube because by that time the journey is direct. I can't be the only one.I understand the issue is complex and that a full service may not even happen in my life time but if there is scope to improve provision at the station, TfL should be looking at doing something. It isn't in a position at the moment to make great leaps forward so small wins like this are its only option to improving public transport in London. If it isn't viable, that has to be acknowledged but the notion that Chiswick isn't really that significant or it is not worth TfL's time isn't something that can be accepted.

Mark Evans ● 550d

I'm surprised you seem so dead set against a change which would improve sustainable transport options in this area.I think you are underestimating the strength of feeling in the area about the matter and I don't think people passing through Turnham Green would be particularly bothered about an extra scheduled stop outside peak hours - many would see the delay more than off set by making another town centre easier for them to visit.I don't think the suggestion here was for opposition politicians to adopt this as a policy but for Labour to take it up. You are quite right that time and time again Tory politicians have raised hopes on this issue and delivered nothing. They aren't going to win the Mayoral election nor take control of the London Assembly so they might as well promise the moon on a stick.If the new Piccadilly rolling stock does give greater flexibility with regard to Turnham Green this has to be considered and it would make sense for Sadiq Khan to include it as a manifesto pledge. South West is not a Lib Dem/Tory fight but a three way contest with Labour who were less than 2% behind the Lib Dems last time out and Labour really need the win here to gain control of the assembly.In E&H the Lib Dems have just announced their candidate. He is a spoiler for Labour in a constituency the Lib Dems have no hope of winning. By selecting a Sikh they hope to undermine Onkar Sahota should he be selected.Both these contests will be tight and a few hundred votes either way could matter which could be secured by persuading TfL to bring forward the announcement of any plans they may have to boost the Piccadilly line service at Turnham Green when the new stock arrives to early next year. If they were going to do it anyway this could be a missed opportunity otherwise.

Mark Evans ● 558d

That plan was reported on several years ago but there doesn't seem to have been anything about it since and, given the cash strapped position of TfL, shouldn't we assume it has been quietly shelved?On the political question I think Francis has understated it if anything. This is quite an important issue for Turnham Green station users and over 900 people have signed the petition for a Piccadilly service to be introduced during District Line works which is impressive for such a niche issue. Don't forget it won't just be Chiswick residents but people from Kew and Richmond who would appreciate a quicker interchange.The Tories have already selected their candidate for the South West constituency - Ron Mushiso who is a Chiswick councillor so he will almost certainly be raising this issue. As far as I can see Labour and Lib Dems haven't made their picks. As it is probably going to be a three way fight, getting local issues like this right will be important.Its not just the South West constituency which could be affected by this issue - Ealing and Hillingdon is very much up for grabs. Remember it includes the Uxbridge constituency which went to the Tories because of the ULEZ backlash. This one is a two way fight between Labour and Conservative and is likely to be very close. I don't think Onkar Sahota, the sitting Labour member, is aware that part of his constituency is in Chiswick but, if he survives an attempt to unseat him from within his own party, he might want to have a closer look. There are around 10,000 potential votes in Southfield ward which lean towards the Lib Dems in council elections but would respond positively if Labour were committed at least to a review of service levels at Turnham Green if they gain full control of the assembly.

Mark Evans ● 558d

While you are right that we can effectively forget about the new Piccadilly line signalling for the time being and this means a full service at Turnham Green is a very long way off, this doesn't mean the current situation is set in stone.As it has been explained to me the ability of the new stock and to accelerate and decelerate more quickly doesn't negate the impact of the signal blocks between Acton Town and Hammersmith but reduces the overall benefit of the ability of trains to get a clear run between these two stations. This must increase the amount of service that could be provided at Turnham Green by the Piccadilly line at the margin. This potentially could be used to for a later finish in the morning and an earlier start in the evening as well as and extended morning service at the weekends at the very least.Paul's point was that TfL may believe that District Line improvements will take the heat out of the issue politically because there will be a better service for Turnham Green station users with the new District Line signalling. I think that he is right that it won't and it will be an important factor in the Mayoral and GLA elections which are happening in less than six months.The South West constituency is one of the very few that could change hands and is a target for both Labour and the Lib Dems. Labour needs two more seats to gain full control of the Assembly so winning here is absolutely critical to Sadiq Khan. Let's not be naïve and pretend that politics doesn't play a part in how transport infrastructure is developed but in this particular instance the engineering would seem to allow a solution that would be a vote winner even though it would be the second half of 2025 before there could be any improvements.

Francis Rowe ● 558d

Mike is right. The new signalling is a dim and distant prospect. It is probably fair to assume that funding won't even be provided by a first term Labour government anxious show financial probity.However, the new trains have been paid for and are set to be delivered and their ability to accelerate and decelerate will mean there will be a timetable update. This won't allow for a full service but possibly could give the opportunity for an extended service as the signal block issue around Chiswick becomes less impactful.Changes could include an extra half hour service at Turnham Green in the morning plus maybe an hour at night and a full am service at the weekend when the lines are less busy. This would have the added benefit of encouraging people to travel at those times and reducing pressure at the peak.The problem is not the desire of local people for this to happen which has always been strong but the lack of political pressure. Ruth Cadbury had supported it but has lost interest with the boundary changes and Andy Slaughter has never mentioned the issue. The council are more likely to feel they need to represent the interest of people in the west of the borough and therefore, perhaps surprisingly for an administration who claims to passionate about sustainable travel, have been very quiet on the matter.The issue will become like during the Mayoral and London Assembly elections as the South West constituency is one of the few that might change hands. It would be very surprising if the Lib Dems in particular didn't push this one very hard as a stop would also provide a benefit to Richmond residents.If TfL are irresponsible enough to shut Turnham Green station on the 11th and not provide replacement buses then, for half a day at least we will have the gridlock and chaos that we saw recently repeated.  At the moment the cause of this seems to be a change in standard operating practice than has been made by TfL with no sensible justification. Once politicians sniff a potentially vote winning issue, life might get a bit less comfortable for the person who made this decision.

Francis Rowe ● 561d