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TFL Consultation on Changes to CHR

Message from TFL - please respond to the survey re what they have done to the Chiswick High Road before 3rd April if you would like to let them know what you think.  If you have already done so you can apparently update your views if these have changed.  See below:- During the summer of 2020, as part of our response to the coronavirus pandemic, we made temporary changes on Chiswick High Road to make it easier for people to walk, cycle, use the bus and to help people to safely social distance. In late 2022, we decided to keep these changes as part of an experiment, to further test the scheme for up to 18 months. This includes a six-month public consultation which is currently underway. I am emailing to give a reminder that you can submit any feedback you may have on the scheme at any time until 3 April 2023. We’ve been monitoring the effects of the changes since the experiment began. The effects of the scheme on cycling have so far been very positive. We’ve seen cycling levels in 2022 increase by almost a quarter compared to numbers in 2021 despite construction on Chiswick High Road which has required the closure of the cycle lanes. The effects of the scheme on bus journey times and traffic journey times has been mixed, and complicated by the impact of road works in and around the Chiswick High Road area (including unplanned works on the A4) over the last few months. These works make it difficult to isolate what specific effects the Chiswick High Road scheme might have had on traffic and buses. We will continue to monitor the effect of the scheme and, providing there are no further unplanned works in the area, we would expect that the picture would become clearer over the next few months. We will publish a report to provide an update on the effects of the scheme on cycling, buses and traffic once the London Borough of Hounslow has made a decision about what the future of the scheme should be. How do I respond to the consultation? Please go to: https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/cycleway-9 where you can complete our online survey. By registering with our Have Your Say webpage, you can be kept informed on the progress of the consultation and our proposals. If you would prefer not to submit a response online, you can send us your thoughts in writing:• By email to haveyoursay@tfl.gov.uk • By post to ‘FREEPOST TfL Have your Say’ The consultation closes on 3 April 2023 and you may respond as often as you would like until that date should your views on the scheme change.

Claire Moran ● 1276d133 Comments

If people express opinions that are clearly contradicted by hard evidence then of course those opinions should be discounted.This isn't an election or a referendum where all that matters is the box people tick, whatever their opinion is.Opponents to the cycle lane will always claim 'ah but I think pollution has increased in a location that doesn't have an air quality monitor' There would need to be air quality monitors covering every square metre given this approach.  And after all that, the pollution is being created by drivers, not people cycling.  You'd think that car exhausts produced air as fresh as alpine meadows in roads without bike lanes if you read some of the claims.The trouble with an approach of "a clear majority of residents support them", is you need to define what residents you are listening to.There will almost always be more people driving along a street than live in it so drivers have an automatic majority.  There would never be any traffic restrictions if it was based upon a simple majority.An example is the closure of Wellesley Rd and Stile Hall Gardens.  A good majority of residents in those streets wanted the streets closed to traffic as they were the ones most impacted by rat-running.  If you included other streets then more people were opposed to the closure as they wanted convenience driving. So decisions were based that the views of people impacted by traffic held greater weight than views of people who didn't want their driving to be inconvenienced.

Michael Robinson ● 1264d

No the cycle lane was approved in Sep 2019 by a democratically elected Council following extensive consultation. The opposition failed. The opposition then failed to realise they had lost and tried in vain and with inevitable futility to take advantage of the installation of a temporary version of the cycle lane during the pandemic. This was both a failure of understanding and of execution and it, rather embarrassingly, led to the loss of at least £50k of gullible resident's money. Fortunately only a very small percentage of the population of Chiswick contributed to these efforts with fewer than 1000 people making donations to the fund. At least half of the membership of OneChiswick consists of a motley crew of various malcontents and misanthropes from all over London and indeed the country who are vigorously opposed to safer streets, clean air and efforts to slow down global warming. Some of us who understood what was happening and that the cycle lane was always going to be upgraded and made permanent even tried to stop the opposition embarrassing itself but the vanity, pride, arrogance, fixed stupidity and repellent style of their leaders, including the local Councillors, fixed their fate and inevitable ignominous defeat.The funny thing is that they still haven't learned their lessons and continue to waste their energy on a futile attempt to stop the cycle lane project continuing. Now they are reduced to signing rebel songs in which they cast themselves as valiant freedom fighters defeated by a capricious and malevolent autocracy. While in the real world they are roundly mocked for being numpties.

Paul Campbell ● 1262d

Sadiq Khan's cycling tsar was punched in the face by a cyclist after he confronted them for for pedalling through an Amsterdam-style 'floating bus stop' without stopping for pedestrians at a zebra crossingDeputy London mayor for Transport Seb Dance revealed the attack happened while he was on his bike last year, allegedly committed by someone on a hire bike. These floating bus stops, overseen by Mr Khan, see busy cycle lanes wedged between the pavement and a bus stop island and are joined by a zebra crossing.However there have been warnings that cyclists often don't stop at them or even slow down.And Mr Dance, the man responsible for London's cycling, has experienced this first-hand, according to The Telegraph.In a video shared with the outlet, he told blindness campaigners that he was cycling alongside a floating bus stop and there was 'someone like you waiting to cross.''I stopped and two of my fellow cyclists didn’t,' he added. 'I then caught up with them and remonstrated with them, and I was punched in the face for my efforts.' Mr Dance agreed that cyclists not following rules was a 'big problem' and the incident he mentioned was reported to police.A survey of 397 cyclists by the publication looked at how the riders behaved while pedestrians waited at three crossings in central London.It found that only eight per cent (33) of the cyclists gave way to the pedestrians - which is required by the Highway Code - and 91.7 per cent did not.Earlier this week, Mr Khan admitted that more needs to be done when asked about the investigation at Mayor's Question time by Conservative health member Emma Best.He said enforcing of the rules is required rather than just raising awareness, as he revealed a review has been launched by Mr Dance and Tfl.'What we can’t have is a situation where somebody is seriously hurt, or even worse, as a consequence of cyclists not following the Highway Code and running over somebody, so it’s really important we do this before, God forbid, that happens rather than afterwards,' he added.Sarah Gayton, the shared space coordinator at the National Federation of the Blind of the UK, suggested cyclists have number plates and said that Mr Dance's alleged attack highlights the risk the bus stops pose to pedestrians.'But what has Seb done about it since then?' she added, as he stressed the need for building of the bus stop to be halted.Mr Dance insisted he was committed to making London a more inclusive city and communicates with Londoners about road safety and accessibility concerns.

Simon Hayes ● 1262d

Sadiq Khan's cycling tsar was punched in the face by a cyclist after he confronted them for for pedalling through an Amsterdam-style 'floating bus stop' without stopping for pedestrians at a zebra crossingDeputy London mayor for Transport Seb Dance revealed the attack happened while he was on his bike last year, allegedly committed by someone on a hire bike. These floating bus stops, overseen by Mr Khan, see busy cycle lanes wedged between the pavement and a bus stop island and are joined by a zebra crossing.However there have been warnings that cyclists often don't stop at them or even slow down.And Mr Dance, the man responsible for London's cycling, has experienced this first-hand, according to The Telegraph.In a video shared with the outlet, he told blindness campaigners that he was cycling alongside a floating bus stop and there was 'someone like you waiting to cross.''I stopped and two of my fellow cyclists didn’t,' he added. 'I then caught up with them and remonstrated with them, and I was punched in the face for my efforts.' Mr Dance agreed that cyclists not following rules was a 'big problem' and the incident he mentioned was reported to police.A survey of 397 cyclists by the publication looked at how the riders behaved while pedestrians waited at three crossings in central London.It found that only eight per cent (33) of the cyclists gave way to the pedestrians - which is required by the Highway Code - and 91.7 per cent did not.Earlier this week, Mr Khan admitted that more needs to be done when asked about the investigation at Mayor's Question time by Conservative health member Emma Best.He said enforcing of the rules is required rather than just raising awareness, as he revealed a review has been launched by Mr Dance and Tfl.'What we can’t have is a situation where somebody is seriously hurt, or even worse, as a consequence of cyclists not following the Highway Code and running over somebody, so it’s really important we do this before, God forbid, that happens rather than afterwards,' he added.Sarah Gayton, the shared space coordinator at the National Federation of the Blind of the UK, suggested cyclists have number plates and said that Mr Dance's alleged attack highlights the risk the bus stops pose to pedestrians.'But what has Seb done about it since then?' she added, as he stressed the need for building of the bus stop to be halted.Mr Dance insisted he was committed to making London a more inclusive city and communicates with Londoners about road safety and accessibility concerns.

Simon Hayes ● 1261d

"Any moving vehicle, whether lorry, car or bike has the potential to inflict injury or death, and bicycles do that on a regular basis."Simon neglects to mention that pedestrians are also at risk from power walkers, joggers, large prams, wheelchairs and old women with little dogs on long leads.They all have "the potential to inflict injury or death", although the rates vary significantly.In 2021, 0 pedestrians were killed by cyclists in traffic accidents, and 1 in a non-traffic accident.By contrast, 8 people were killed in 2021 due to falling as a result of contact with another person.  A further 171 people died due to falls, slips and trips and 9 died slipping on ice.Simon is off his meds again if he thinks his risk assessment is going to show anything but the greatest risk to pedestrians being cars, vans, lorries and buses....followed by other people.  2021 - Pedestrian Fatalities by CauseV01.1 Pedestrian injured in collision with pedal cycle: Traffic accident: 0V02.1 Pedestrian injured in collision with two- or three-wheeled motor vehicle: Traffic accident: 3V03.1 Pedestrian injured in collision with car, pick-up truck or van: Traffic accident: 55V04.1 Pedestrian injured in collision with heavy transport vehicle or bus: Traffic accident: 25V05.1 Pedestrian injured in collision with railway train or railway vehicle: Traffic accident: 4V09.2 Pedestrian injured in traffic accident involving other and unspecified motor vehicles: 43W03 Other fall on same level due to collision with, or pushing by, another person: 8 LP01 Fall on same level due to tripping over lead attached to small dogs: 0

Ed Saper ● 1261d