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Hi Basil,You're right. I'm a cyclist, I mentioned that a few times already, and I ride with a Cateye 400 up front and two LED lights on the back, one of which is fitted with an accelerometer that makes it flash 'harder' when I'm braking. I keep all three on at all times, even during the hours of daylight. Ditto for helmet wearing. In all honesty, I didn't do that in other countries - the Netherlands, Belgium, or Denmark - but here in London the state of affairs is such that if I had the way of bringing the all-seeing eye of Sauron on my backpack... I'd do it. I know some don't, and I can only think that they're particularly keen on doing themselves out of the gene pool.Still, on the other hand, even if I'm clad in hi-vis gear, carry around enough light to support a Daft Punk concert... it doesn't seem to make too much of a difference. Just yesterday on Wellesley road I had one guy turn left into Oxford road north with is Volvo SUV just a few metres before me. Had to brake hard to avoid him and almost hit the back of the damn thing, and it's a good thing I was doing 12mph at the time. When confronted he said that the "Highway code allows him to turn in front of cyclists". Then, a couple of blocks down (by the Baptist church) a Mercedes came from the north and pulled into the main road without stopping. About 2 bike lengths away from me. It's worth noting that in both cases there was no one behind me, so waiting a second wouldn't have been a problem. And in the first case the guy almost mowed me down to then join a queue of stationary cars; in the second, the lady driving the Merc parked a couple of blocks down the road, only to open the door without checking her mirrors. The above is a daily occurrence and sometimes I do wonder why I bother with lights and so on.

Francis Sheehan ● 1419d

People are complaining that as part of a campaign to highlight (sorry) the need for cyclists to use lights and wear bright clothing now that the clocks have gone back, the Met Police gave out a few free lights to attract publicity (successfully, it would seem).One of the complaints is that they should be penalising these miscreants etc, while errant car drivers get penalised etc. Which ignores the fact that the police frequently just give a friendly warning when eg a driver isn't wearing his/her seat belt etc. (Otherwise they'd be forever filling in forms back in the station, instead of attending to more serious offences).While the latest Met Police initiative isn't even new. For as the Standard article quoted below shows, exactly 7 years ago the City of London Police carried out a similar exercise:"City of London Police said each year officers pull over a 'sizable percentage of cyclists who are “caught out” after the nights draw in.Anyone who cycles through the Square Mile without lights after dark can receive a fixed penalty for committing a 'moving offence'.But offenders caught at certain spots in the City on Monday and Tuesday, after the clocks go back at the weekend, will be given safety lights for their bike."https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclists-caught-riding-unlit-to-be-given-new-lights-not-fines-and-tickets-a3380956.htmlIt seems very likely that the Met Police will have been aware of this, and decided that it was a useful exercise and so worth repeating.

Richard Cathcart ● 1414d

MD: "City of London Police said each year officers pull over a 'sizable percentage of cyclists who are 'caught out after the nights draw in.” What’s a sizeable percentage?"RC: Don't know. Why don't you ask The Standard. Or the City of London Police.MD: "“Caught out”that’s kind terminology isn’t it, bless the cyclists"RC: If you really think terminology is the issue, then take it up with the Sub-Editor. Meanwhile the rest of us will get on with debating the important stuff.MD: "Do cyclists consider it’s a good idea to have lights on their bike 24/7, 365.  Genius level I know.Thinking 🤔 Is there a clause for motorists  to not have working lights, because they only intend to drive in daylight? I think not .OMG"RC: Cars come with lights installed and unable to be removed. Cycles do not, and lights may easily be stolen. Hence cyclists don't want to leave lights on their bike during the day. Genius level, I know....Anyhow, I note that you didn't comment on the following from the article:"There will also be the chance of a reprieve for cyclists pulled over elsewhere in the City without lights — they can have the fine and ticket rescinded if they attend a cycling safety lecture."Which says two things:1. Cyclists are being fined, and 2. This alternative is exactly the same as car drivers facing points on their licence for eg being (ahem) "caught out" speeding, they can go on a safety course instead.But with your "Two wheels bad, four wheels good" approach to all such matters, you presumably know more than the police.

Richard Cathcart ● 1413d