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Julian Pavey ● 1431d129 Comments

The house movers who do Downing Street are coining it in.  Perhaps we need consider a windfall tax on them ?

Andrew Craig ● 1431d

At least she didn't have time to change the wallpaper.

Sarah Vickers ● 1431d

OddsNext general election2022  11.52023  3.552024  1.55UK - Next Prime Minister Rishi Sunak      1.9Penny Mordaunt    2.9Jeremy Hunt      34.0Ben Wallace      11.5Boris Johnson    30.0Any others and your become very rich for a few months

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

Written in another thread...."From 2010 to 2015 the government was a coalition between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats; the influence of the latter on the government's policies should not be underestimated.The Blair/Brown Labour government had left the UK's relationship with the EU in a form of limbo, not least due to their breaking their manifesto promise to hold a referendum before signing up to the Treaty of Lisbon. This failure led directly to the 2016 referendum, since when the Conservatives have tried to follow the instruction of the electorate to withdraw from the EU, despite Labour's attempts to sabotage the process.If you really think that Labour is the answer, then you are asking the wrong question."This really is desperate stuff. More of typical Tory "not me guv", it's all their fault.It totally ignores all the lies and mismanagement of the Tory government since 2010 (Yes, I know the LibDems were around but they were very much the minor party). The Blair/Brown relationship with the EU was exceedingly positive compared with Cameron's "efforts" at negotiation, never mind all the negative tripe the Tory right wing added afterwards along with Farage and friends. That was what destroyed any positive relationship the UK had with the EU. I'd suggest not bringing referenda as an excuse as the EU exit one was meant to be advisory only and the country never got to confirm whether or not they liked what Boris and mates decided.Brexit has brought us nothing but a reduction of GDP (approx 4% according to the OBR the last I saw - maybe someone has a better number).Fortunately we have now got rid of a PM that got "elected" by less than 1% of the population. I wonder whether the Tories have got the courage to have a General Election. I doubt it since they're only interested in the Tories and the country can "go hang".I hope I'm wrong (but I still won't vote for them if I am).Labour is most definitely the answer at the moment. Longer term a more realistic version of PR would be better (not the rubbish version we were offered in 2011(?)), but the Tories will never vote for that. (Sadly, Labour probably won't either).

John Hickman ● 1431d

"The house movers who do Downing Street are coining it in.  Perhaps we need consider a windfall tax on them ?"I've seen a suggestion that it will now be let out as an AirBnB

John Hickman ● 1431d

Boris now 17.0 from 30.0

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

I think those backing boris hope he just puts his name into the ring and then they are quids in

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

now 7.0 from 30.0

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

5.5 and droppingDoes someone know or traders cashing in while price drops

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

What about Partygate Julian?Isn't that why they got rid of him in the first place ?Him being in the ring will bring it all back again.

Ben Gemmingen ● 1431d

No , because now , you are allowed to have parties.

Andrew Craig ● 1431d

Its not what we think,its what those on the seats think. Many think he is still a winner. Many people in the read wall still think hes a winner and should not have been ousted If he puts his name into the hat he could well be back.

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

The reason the UK's relationship with the EU was in a form of limbo was because the Labour Party broke its manifesto commitment to hold a referendum before signing up to the Lisbon Treaty. Had they done so, and achieved a "Yes" result, then there would have been no need for the 2016 referendum. A "No" vote would have required the EU and the UK to negotiate a better-balanced relationship. Instead, those who were frustrated with the way the EU was going felt that they had a once-in-a-generation chance to change direction in 2016, and duly voted to leave. You just can't trust Labour promises; the unintended consequences when they break them can be disastrous.

Richard Greenhough ● 1431d

Wish id taken the 30.0 as yout be in profit by about £30 for a tenner staked

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

JP > "... he could well be back."Won't it be slightly awkward - about 60 members of the government resigned in July because they considered him unfit to be PM?

John Whitworth ● 1431d

I think there is more to this story than just the economic fallout. I've not seen Larry the Downing street cat at all during her 44 days of office and wondering if there was a big fallout between her family and Larry and obviously Larry is a permanent fixture and maybe she hasn't fully understood that.    This will all come out though , in time.

Andrew Craig ● 1431d

I agree but your thinking your job is under threat with boris and now they maybe thinking hes likely the only person come the hour to save your job. Issues with the top 3 from all in the back seats and if he ends up in the top 2 its very possible

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

Johnson is on holiday in the Caribbean. So he’s got to get back to the country first to get back into government to protect sex pests.

Stewart Jones ● 1431d

The present two party (FPTP) system does negate hung parliaments but in many ways, is grossly unfair. If your vote favours other than the reds or blues you may as well save your visit to the local Town Hall to vote for one of the smaller but relevant parties.The exception to this was UKIP (who managed just one MP but whose party forced Cameron to promise a referendum on leaving the EU) who amazingly changed the direction of our economic and trade travel.The public displayed ambivalence towards AV in 2011 and, like you say, there is not a chance that the next, incoming Labour Government will wish to bring it in.Incidentally, the 2016 referendum was absolutely not an advisory vote, it was for real, it was democratic, and nobody's visit to the Town Hall was a wasted walk.

Denis I. Fox ● 1431d

'Johnson is on holiday in the Caribbean.'I wonder who's paying for that, then!

Peter Evans ● 1431d

'You just can't trust Labour promises; the unintended consequences when they break them can be disastrous.'This is Richard giving up the day job to have a go at a stand-up routine in the middle of the biggest political - and I quote a f***ing s***storm, give me strength.

Vanessa Smith ● 1431d

Miaow !

Richard Greenhough ● 1431d

"'Johnson is on holiday in the Caribbean.'I wonder who's paying for that, then!"Another question is why when Parliament isn't in recess and he should be working on behalf of his constituents. I trust they will take that into account at the next election.

Susan Kelly ● 1431d

Same people as paid for him to visit Kyiv?

James Roy ● 1431d

According to his sister Rachel, Boris is flying back tonight. I think his odds have fallen so much as it was announced members will have the final say. Thats If he can get a 100 votes from MPs, the threshold for making it to the ballot. I think Winston Churchill said that one of the primary jobs of an MP is to put the interests of the country ahead of the party or oneself. I doubt many MPs will take his advice.  Still hard to see him getting 100 backers.

David Turner ● 1431d

" I've not seen Larry the Downing street cat at all during her 44 days of office "Larry chased a fox away a few days ago https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/11/larry-the-cat-fox-no-10-downing-street-chief-mouser-pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvZZyoz9Gs8and he posted today on Twitterhttps://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1583072541677002752michael adams

Michael Adams ● 1431d

Quite honestly I am at a complete loss as to why any of these people would take another chance on Bozo. A proven liar - still under investigation, a serial shagger, and a complete and utter buffoon - who only cares for himself. He proves though that you can fool a lot of people a lot of the time and he wins elections so that's alright then. Sod the country, sod the morality and integrity of Parliament, it's all about him. The Tory MPs willing to  back him are doing so to save their own miserable skins, they think, it is intolerable. I doubt anyone of these political pygmies give a toss about anything or anyone but themselves, the country is merely their plaything.

Vanessa Smith ● 1431d

All the reason to bring back Boris 😂😂😂 he handles the big stuff well just not into the detail 😂😂😂😂😂 he is a character can’t take that away from him 😂😂😂

Jayne Thorburn ● 1431d

Jayne, he is a proven liar, law- breaker and sex pest protector. If that’s the kind of character you want then that’s the kind of character you want.You sound like Nadine….

Stewart Jones ● 1431d

Not going to happen. My money's on Sunak. I don't agree with most of his policies but atm he seems way better than any of the alternatives.  We need a GE but we're unlikely to get one for obvious reasons.

Claire Moran ● 1431d

That's not the pointHe is popular with the membership, he is liked by not all but many in the back benches and he is liked up and down the country. And that is regardless of his past and what the other half of the country thinks. It is likely they don't like Starmer but may vote LabourITV sent someone to Bolton, the most marginal of Tory-won red wall seats to ask people on the streets what they think over trust resignation. The overwhelming and I repeat overwhelming majority said they wanted Boris back over any other alternative. That is again the point, many are not interested in what you are saying. Many never wanted him gone, only those who thought at the time the jobs are in real danger  of losing those big gains If he is in the last 2 I think he wins in my book

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

well sunak is roughly even money,boris is now 2nd fav at 3.5 and mordaunt is now out too 6.0. Some have made some nice money of those big odds available and that was even after trust stood down.

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

From earlier updatedUK - Next Prime MinisterRishi Sunak      1.9    now  1.90  traded since 2.05pm  £42,325.61  Boris Johnson    30.0    now  3.50  traded since 2.05pm £291,101,53Penny Mordaunt    2.9    now  6.6 Ben Wallace      11.5    now  46.0Every bit of money traded since resignation is for sunak and boris.

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

If Boris is on the members ballot he will win. I still don’t think he’ll get 100 MP votes but who knows. Someone asked me earlier what it says about the UK that so many people still support a self serving lazy compulsive liar,I didn’t have an answer but on reflection and looking at other leaders maybe it just says we’re just like other countries and will overlook pretty well anything as long as someone has charisma or is a character.

David Turner ● 1431d

"If Boris is on the members ballot he will win" Totally agree,gets to the members ballot and its a no contest

Julian Pavey ● 1431d

Gawd help us.

Sarah Vickers ● 1431d

Wallace has ruled himself out again, thank goodness.Regards Claire

Claire Moran ● 1430d

He is popular with the membershipThat's because the membership are a load of out of touch old farts and will not vote for Rishi because of the colour of his skin.

Brian Green ● 1430d

Brian that’s an appalling accusation, think you should retract that…….

Jayne Thorburn ● 1430d

SJ > "Johnson is on holiday in the Caribbean."He has an incredible work ethic!

John Whitworth ● 1430d

I think Brian is only saying what many people are honest enough to think. In fact a Tory supporter hinted pretty much that to me- although it wasn't his view at all.

Vanessa Smith ● 1430d

This is all unutterably depressing. Whenever you think things cannot get more absurd, they do. Johnson was only removed a few weeks ago because it was obvious his amoral and organizational failings made him unsuitable for public office. Now there is a move with substantial support from MPs and Conservative party members to bring him back. What does this say about them?

Christopher Shea ● 1430d

One wonders if Liz replaced the terrible wallpaper that Carrie Antoinette chose and forgot who paid for it.

Stewart Jones ● 1430d

CS > "What does this say about them?"They're behaving like a cult.

John Whitworth ● 1430d

Johnson's supporters seem to think they will have their 100 nominations. I can scarcely believe that the imbeciles of the 1922 Committee have devised rules for the election which will give Johnson a way back. If his name goes forward to party members, the idiotic gerontocracy will be guaranteed to re-elect him. Imagine the chaos if he is re-elected and the Privileges Committee determines he was in contempt of parliament because of his partygate lies.

Robert Fish ● 1430d

If Johnson gets in I'm going to go live in Spain...Oh No. I forgot, I can't now

Stephen Gould ● 1430d

I think the 1922 Committee designed the voting system to stop getting Johnson in. They incorrectly assumed that people who a few weeks ago called for his resignation because of his fecklessness and dishonesty would not nominate him. It looks like Johnson is stuck on around 48 nominations with the majority of MPs holding fire. The rest all know that Johnson will be Prime Minister if he gets to 100 but will resume his holiday in the Caribbean if he doesn't.I doubt very much whether any of the remaining 150 or so undeclared MPs believe Johnson is fit for the office as they have had personal experience of him. However, they will be conscious that picking the right person to nominate will be career defining. If you want an insight into how this works you should listen to Rory Stewart on The Rest is Politics talking about his leadership bid and how firm but private backing disappeared as soon as Johnson got momentum from people who acknowledged he was terrible but said they had 'kids and a mortgage to support'.Johnson's side are feverishly briefing they are at 100 and his opponents are saying he is nowhere near. The reality probably is that it is on a knife edge.If Johnson wins it will be a further slide into chaos. He will need to make Hunt, Sunak or Javid Chancellor and then undermine them as they insist on one unpopular policy after another leading to ever higher interest rates. The instability will be compounded by the privileges committee judgement which many are predicting will result in the severest sanction because he clearly did knowingly mislead the house on more than one occasion. The only person who could possibly benefit from Johnson being chosen other than the man himself is Liz Truss who may lose her record of being the shortest serving Prime Minister.

Mark Evans ● 1429d

Hi Brian, only retract that if there is clear evidence that you are wrong. Oh, look, you are right. Its exactly what they think.The exception of course are the tory party members who are not British and may not even be real people. Who knows what a Russian bot really thinks.

Alan Clark ● 1429d

Jayne, I will not retract my comment as it turns out a member has phoned LBC and said that Rishi can't be PM as he isn't even British.

Brian Green ● 1429d

From earlier updatedUK - Next Prime MinisterRishi Sunak      1.9  now  1.90  now  1.39  big moveBoris Johnson    30.0 now  3.50  now  4.2Penny Mordaunt    2.9  now  6.6  now  36.01000.00 any other

Julian Pavey ● 1429d

I think I'd rather have Johnson, another quick crash and a general election.

Vivienne Cox ● 1429d

He's an absolute car crash. You have to question the people backing him.

Freddy Sims ● 1429d

I was not too happy about him returning but things I have heard this evening I say come back Boris for the sake of the  U.Ks security.

Janice Evans ● 1429d

What! He's part of the problem.

Freddy Sims ● 1429d

I would not repeat what I have heard, but we need him back if there is ageneral election later so be it.

Janice Evans ● 1429d

Come on J....spill the beans...

Freddy Sims ● 1429d

No, but if Rishi is P.M we will need a general election anyway so I willstop panicking.

Janice Evans ● 1429d

Did anyone point out to them where Boris was born ?

Richard Greenhough ● 1429d

I've been looking at other markets and since my last post rishi has shortened further from 1.36 to 1.29. Boris to get 100 votes is as low as 1.33 for NO. But then the market for how many get 100 votes is 1.5 for ONE only. To be leader is 2024 NO is a short 1.14 for Boris The overall market view is rishi could be the only one to get the 100 needed. Will that cause more division and will that rule be challenged? In case of an election in 2023 Sadiq khan could run for a seat but the markets point to 2024 so is as short as 1.25 to be mayor again. This is quite large given the circumstances which is why i think a 2023 election could see him given a safe seat for a return. The funny thing is Corbyn is the second fav for 2024 mayor. Some markets are very weak in liquidity so can be taken as not a good guide Others Trump fav for president but at good odds, very open SPOTY says Beth mead is a 1.4 shot 16.0 upwards other runners And Ukraine is a 3.0 shot for Eurovision. I'm a 100.0 shot to improve my grammer in 2023 😁I prefer an E rather than an A. Anne will be on my case no doubt

Julian Pavey ● 1429d

You must be bored...thanks though

Freddy Sims ● 1429d

2022 any odds you want2023 3.702024 1.41Not great About 2k available to back for 2023 and not much for 2024 as £201,432.74 has been backed at much lower odds than the 1.41 so traders cant trade out for any profit until market turns in favour of 2024My hunch is 2023 and if that is the case id rather look at the mayor election and someone like dawn butler for value as again i repeat,im sure sadiq will run for a seat to be handed a top job in govement.You have to remember these are exchange prices where you can get your money on and not your high street bookies or sportsbooks on the net where they will indeed limit you to how much they will take.

Julian Pavey ● 1429d

Looks like Janice won't back Rishi because, well you know.......

Brian Green ● 1429d

None of them Brian.

Janice Evans ● 1429d

Brian, Janice is at best incoherent, and is another groupie. What I thought was most startling about most of the people with Kuenssberg from the Tory party, especially Penny Mordaunt, was the emphasis on what was the right thing for 'the party' - stuff the country then! Tories are dangerous and will sink to any level to hang on to power. They may be permitted to fiddle with things to foist another leader on us - but it shows the fact that they don't have a moral compass between them. You have to ask what sort of person would want a job they haven't got on their own merits but rather by the total incompetence of several others, of course hanging on to it could be an entirely different matter.

Vanessa Smith ● 1429d

Vanessa you don't like the Party you support so no one is listening.

Janice Evans ● 1429d

I’m listening to you Vanessa. You put forward cogent arguments. If only all contributors could…..

Stewart Jones ● 1429d

Once again she speaks - crap!I would not support Labour locally - but nationally it is quite another matter, at least I have many, many years of political activism that has given me some insight into how things work, or, at least should do. That doesn't make me right, it has formed my views. The one thing you must always bear in mind, is that politics is not about you as an individual, if you hold an elected position be it councillor or M.P. you are an advocate for the people who elected you first and foremost, that is not to say you won't face difficult decisions, that is where you have to be true to yourself, not always easy and definitely not always popular.

Vanessa Smith ● 1428d

Do not retract your statement. Why should you? It is what most people think but are afraid to say. Surely it was the reason they chose incompetent, useless Truss over Sunak. He with his economic background and experience was in command of the right economic policy.

jenny Mein ● 1428d

I most certainly agree with you both

Helen Bamberger ● 1428d

And bye the way - we are all listening

Helen Bamberger ● 1428d

I agree.  The ones I ignore are those who just spout views but never feel the need to explain or justify them.

Alastair Banton ● 1428d

As you ask, I'm listening to B Wallace who knows a lot more than we do.

Janice Evans ● 1428d

Vanessa, you appear to trash them all at any given opportunity bothConservative and Labour so how can I take any of your views seriously.

Janice Evans ● 1428d

'Vanessa, you appear to trash them all at any given opportunity bothConservative and Labour so how can I take any of your views seriously.'Actually what you think is of no interest to me, your weird views and skewed loyalty to a dishonest, cheating, selfish, egotistical scruff tells me you are in need of help, more to be pitied than despised. Politicians know what they're getting into - we are entitled to ask questions of them and level criticism, we are the electorate, we have the right to hold them to account regardless of their political persuasion.

Vanessa Smith ● 1428d

Vanessa, wrong again have never been loyal to the Conservatives,as I did vote for them last time around will support the ones I thinkare making the right decisions regardless of cake and drink.

Janice Evans ● 1428d

After seeing Mordaunt’s dismal performance on Laura’s show this morning I am wondering why on earth she even appeared on ref show. She couldn’t answer any question coherently and couldn’t even commit to the 2019 manifesto pledges!  Seems to me she has just confirmed that she cannot be trusted not to u-turn on all the party promises. Waste of space!

Steve Taylor ● 1428d

"That's because the membership are a load of out of touch old farts and will not vote for Rishi because of the colour of his skin."Yes, that was pretty obvious when he lost to the 'Comprehensive School' robot.

Steve Taylor ● 1428d

Boris is out. It’s Rishi now, will be PM tomorrow.

David Turner ● 1428d

The right result

Jayne Thorburn ● 1428d

Whoever becomes PM must not put Johnson in the Cabinet. May did that she he was a terrible Foreign Secretary.

Susan Kelly ● 1428d

From earlier updatedUK - Next Prime MinisterRishi Sunak      1.9  now  1.90  now  1.39  now  1.05 30k availabe to back Boris Johnson    30.0 now  3.50  now  4.2    now  320.0Penny Mordaunt    2.9  now  6.6  now  36.0  now  21.0

Julian Pavey ● 1428d

Bye bye Johnson. He’ll be on a flight back to the Caribbean tonight no doubt.

Stewart Jones ● 1428d

Just the fact that he gained a lot of support from MPs is evidence enough that the Conservative party is inundated with total morons. These cretins just NEVER learn!

Steve Taylor ● 1428d

Keep giving us P.Ms we never voted for is never a good way forward.

Janice Evans ● 1428d

More than half the country didn't vote for Johnson in 2019

Vivienne Cox ● 1428d

Penny should drop out so Rishi can get to work this week

Jayne Thorburn ● 1428d

Are you arguing for a general election or do you think a better way forward would be to reappoint the ex-PM who won a majority in the 2019 election? The latter doesn't seem a good way forward, given the very real possibility he may be suspended from parliament in the near future, depending on the findings of the Privileges Committee.

Robert Fish ● 1428d

Well we have a parliamentary system that is the envy of the world!

Nicholas Beard ● 1428d

Given all the issues we face I think Rishi is best placed to calm the markets, is isn’t and enviable job given debt levels, Ukraine, strikes, cost of living increases etc.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1428d

So his lifetime habit of lying continues.The support of 102 MP's?  I think not.And if he stood aside "in the national interest", why stand in the first place?

T P Howell ● 1428d

Waste of space!

Richard Greenhough ● 1428d

Give it a rest, move on he has and so has everybody else, focus is what happens next 😂😂😂😂

Jayne Thorburn ● 1428d

Three PMs In three months. Yes, let’s move on. Time for an election. This government has done nothing in the last six months because of turmoil within the Tory party (apart from crash the economy and made the UK a basket case in the eyes of the world.)I like to think that Jeremy Hunt told Johnson that he would be unable to continue as Chancellor under a PM with no credibility or shame.

Stewart Jones ● 1427d

Johnson is out it looks like Rishi and he will be able to bring calm to the financial markets which is critical right now for everybody.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1427d

Boris still breaking the rules, on holiday when he shouldn’t be. It would have been more of the same . Still has reviews to deal with too

Maggie Dodge ● 1427d

All Rishi Sunak can do is try and pour some oil on troubled waters, and try and calm things down, no-one will be able to sort out what ails us all in two years. How that total sh*t BJ had the gall to think he could ride back in like the 7th Cavalry is beyond comprehension. The Parliamentary journalist on last nights 'The Papers' on BBC News channel - had him to a tee, it was all I,I,I, he puts himself before and above the country, and his miserable party, no way would he have been any different, and those pathetic supporters of his made me cringe, not one of them had a recognisable spine or any pride in themselves or the people of this country.

Vanessa Smith ● 1427d

Sunak the nearly billionaire, who's billionaire wife doesn't even pay taxes in India let alone the UK. Now we're being told he's a man of the people. He bragged about diverting money from deprived areas in the North to hand out amongst the nazis of Tunbridge Wells!What a guy xox

Basil Finnis ● 1427d

Ah well, the Conservative Party can move quickly when it has a need to. Sunak now has two years to gain credibility and see if he can recover enough ground to win the next election.

Richard Greenhough ● 1427d

If anyone can calm the markets he can the best choice thank goodness the party members didn’t get a say 😂😂😂😂 right man for the job

Jayne Thorburn ● 1427d

You’re right,  Jayne. Tory party members have a knack of choosing useless leaders like  Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss .

Stewart Jones ● 1427d

The public voted for Johnson.Tory members voted for Truss.Sunak is Prime Minister - the ruling Cabal get their man.

Michael Brown ● 1427d

Given your shared passion for tax cuts, Jayne, I imagined you should have been very happy when Liz Truss won the members’ vote and became PM.  At least until it all went pear-shaped. Or have I misunderstood something?

Alastair Banton ● 1427d

And a very happy Divali to Sunak.

Stewart Jones ● 1427d

You have clearly misunderstood 😂😂😂😂

Jayne Thorburn ● 1427d

My hope now the new PM is installed, a hope doubtless frowned on by the many wokery lefties on this forum, is for him to somehow incorporate within his party the spirit of the Latin motto "Victoria Concordia Cresit", Victory grows out of Harmony.To retain Jeremy Hunt as Chancellor and bring back Suella Bravermann as Home Secretary.The annexation of N.Ireland and the Small Boat fiasco cannot continue unabated and really ought to go very near to the top of Rishi's monumental In tray.

Denis I. Fox ● 1427d

Ok.  But you have repeatedly expressed your enthusiasm for tax cuts in your postings and Truss was absolutely in agreement about this so where was your point of difference?

Alastair Banton ● 1427d

'Wokey lefties'! What a 🔔🔚

Basil Finnis ● 1427d

"Tory party members have a knack of choosing useless leaders like  Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss"And Labour Party members chose Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn, and before that Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock. Looks like the problem is not unique to any one party. At least the Conservatives don't always plump for the stale white male.

Richard Greenhough ● 1427d

Denis, as a fully paid-up member of the Union of Woke Lefty Snowflakes may I point out that we are VERY keen on Harmony, so to this end I would like to see lots of one nation conservatives - remember them? - brought back into the Cabinet.  Johnson’s habit of stuffing the cabinet with extreme Brexitists was very divisive, wasn’t it.  And is Ms Braverman really a figure who promotes harmony?  I don’t think so.

Alastair Banton ● 1427d

After your comments earlier this week about immigrants ‘watering down society’ , it’s pretty clear what your objection to Rishi Sunak is.

Stewart Jones ● 1427d

Whataboutery Richard! Pretty predictable.

Stewart Jones ● 1427d

Don’t always. You’re right. But look at the disastrous two last female leaders the party has elected….

Stewart Jones ● 1427d

What makes you say Theresa May was disastrous ? She was dealt a very poor hand and played it as well as she could in the circumstances.

Richard Greenhough ● 1427d

"The public voted for Johnson."You could just as well say the public voted against Corbyn.

Richard Greenhough ● 1427d

She was indeed dealt a poor hand (by her own party)and then made it worse. Bashing migrants, The Windrush Scandal (still a scandal). Allowed her media allies to have headlines like ‘Enemies of the People’ and then appointing the man who penned that headline as her press secretary. She appointed Johnson as FS - who was deemed a security risk. Ironically, her Brexit deal was better than the current one but the ambition of the bloated, white, stale, male did for the deal much to the detriment of the country.

Stewart Jones ● 1427d

One thing Truss was right about was the need for more immigration to boost employment and to 'grow' the economy and increase the tax take.  I can't see Braverman going along with that. With about 25,000 people a year coming over in rubber boats, far from keeping them out, we need to bring in about 10 years worth of boats to compensate for the European workers who left after Brexit.  If we continue with our mistaken belief in British exceptionalism and superiority and increased isolationism, we'll be faced with years of austerity and worse as our economy progressively collapses and, as a nation, we become more and more of a joke - even without Johnson pretending to run things.

Peter Evans ● 1427d

"Wokery lefties" ok.Gammon

David Burke ● 1427d

Sunak wrote cheques out to the tune of £500b to, allegedly, stop an unstoppable mild virus - but it was really to put us in deep sh*t, and it worked - we're in deep sh*t.

Michael Brown ● 1427d

Alistair, I am glad to hear you say the Union of YLS is keen on harmonious existence, I knew as much from my ongoing friendship with several friends who don't necessary share all my political views.Re your distaste of Boris casting aside those wishing to overturn a democratic referendum vote, and stuffing his cabinet with extreme Brexiteers I pose the question " How else could he have got Brexit Done?"Had Parliament failed 17,410,742 people who voted Leave and  remained inside the EU I honestly believe civil war would have erupted in the streets. The citizens in this sceptered isle expect democracy to be honoured.Finally, any country worth its salt has a duty to protect its borders; for security measures and for its infrastructure to remain fit for purpose. A strong Home Secretary is essential.

Denis I. Fox ● 1427d

"..we're in deep sh*t"Ah yes, the pollution in the river Thames from Mogden overflows. You will just have to use your kayak elsewhere.

Richard Greenhough ● 1427d

Steady, Denis.  Don’t put words into my mouth.  I didn’t suggest that the referendum should have been overturned.  But the kind of Brexit we put in place had not been defined by the referendum and I believe we could have opted for a more moderate version that would have been preferred by a wider section of the population.  You presumably are aware that almost every survey taken since the Brexit vote shows that the majority of us have not been happy with the way it’s gone.  If Johnson had had the courage and wisdom to resist the demands of the ERG and been prepared to take advice from more *experts*, and had welcomed a broader range of views into his cabinet we might all be in a much better place today. I hope that answers your question, ‘How else could he have got Brexit done?’  Borders and immigration is a discussion for another day but people’s views are changing towards a more positive view of immigration.

Alastair Banton ● 1427d

Typical sexist comment from anti-women Jones. The males in the Tory party have, of course,  all been so much better. Not.

Claire Moran ● 1427d

For someone who does not read my posts, you don’t half read my posts. Even when you read them, you don’t read them properly. Try again. You will see that I am as dismissive of the male Tory leaders as the disastrous female ones. They have all been useless not because of their gender but because of their lack of ability. But why let facts hinder your appetite for one of your tirades. Your spoiling for a fight, give it a rest.

Stewart Jones ● 1427d

Er - no. Because you are so little in my consciousness  I sometimes forget not to click on the next post in a row and realise that the snarky, anti everything post that aims to stir things up in a peculiarly nasty way and almost always bangs on about Brexit  - dedums  did it reduce the value of your French holiday home? and is particularly aggressive towards female posters on here is from you. Ugh.

Claire Moran ● 1427d

Honestly, you’d argue with a teapot if you could.

Stewart Jones ● 1427d

And you want to argue with the whole world  but not in the interests of the world or even this country, just to further your own narrow self-interested and unusual agenda. Chocolate tea pot indeed.

Claire Moran ● 1427d

Alistair, thank you for your thoughtful and polite reply.I appreciate that the end deal, driven by the ERG and authorised by Johnson has caused considerable consternation amongst a good proportion of society.I believe the unforeseen events since our departure (covid, global inflation, Russia's war, plus some considerable French intransigence for example) has delayed the progress we should have made going it alone. This undoubtably has tested the patience of many.However,I will call out three absolute musts which were made ABUNDANTLY clear to the voting public in the lead up to the referendum:We would stop paying our subscriptions into the EU, somewhere between £161m and £250m weekly.We would end the free movement of people entering this country from the EU.we would be free to enter trade deals globally without EU constraints.Anything less than these stipulations would not have constituted a proper brexit.BRINO was not an option.

Denis I. Fox ● 1427d

Sunak has got a huge financial mess to sort out - the huge financial mess that he created.

Michael Brown ● 1427d

Austerity forever. It's what they wanted for us all, and what they're giving us.Ready for Rishi: Get your jabs (that don't work but kill and maim) and say goodbye to your house and savings.

Michael Brown ● 1427d