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Confidence Vote

I have a strong suspicion that the Boris detractors and europhiles on this forum will be venting their lexicon in full force shortly after 8.30 this evening, irrespective of the result of the Confidence vote.The purpose of this posting is to (hopefully) escape from the "Greasy pig" posting which has gone on for too long.For what its worth, the one thing I am certain about is that many people of all persuasions will never forgive the PM for keeping us locked in whilst his subordinates partied away under his stewardship.

Denis I. Fox ● 1568d53 Comments

He was in a workplace which is also his home, he has many supporters don't you worry yourself.

Janice Evans ● 1568d

There is hope. Well done to the 148 Tory MPs who have a conscience.

Stewart Jones ● 1568d

'He was in a workplace which is also his home' - so that gave him and his cohort justification for partying, says Janice.

Anne England ● 1568d

You have to be reasonable and I have the same view on K. S.  No one is perfect, it was misjudgement by both of them.

Janice Evans ● 1568d

40% of his own MPs have no confidence in him. The upcoming by-elections will be disastrous for him. The lockdown parties are only part of this. It’s the constant lying, lack of direction, laziness, lying, lying and lying.

Stewart Jones ● 1568d

He's the best there is it seems and we voted for him and want him there.  We know why you want him out and nothing to do with lies is it.

Janice Evans ● 1568d

That man Boris, is an impervious,legend.!

James Dow ● 1568d

😂😂😂 it’s not called politics for no reason 😂😂😂😂

Jayne Thorburn ● 1568d

He’s a Tory torpedoed by Tories. Great stuff. 40% against him. What honourable Tories they are.

Stewart Jones ● 1568d

The 211 Conservative MPs who voted to give him another year have probably guaranteed defeat for the party at the next general election. Labour may be quite pleased by the result, but unfortunately we're all going to have pay the consequences in the meantime - two-and-a-half more years of directionless, divisive, self-serving and corrupt government, risking peace in Northern Ireland, breaking international agreements, trampling on the rights of asylum seekers, making a bonfire of regulations protecting the environment, animal welfare and public health, and curtailing personal liberties, rights of protest and access to voting. Welcome to pariah status!

Robert Fish ● 1568d

Given the antics with Labour, jeremy Corbyn, anti-semitism…….politics they have nothing to hang their heads high…..we don’t need extreme left or right politics in my view

Jayne Thorburn ● 1568d

What do you want for your democracy.  100%?

James Dow ● 1568d

Dishonest whataboutery! Corbyn has not been leader of the Labour party for two years now. At least Starmer confronted the problem of antisemitism in the party. Can you honestly say there is no antisemitism in the Conservative party? And what about Tory Islamophobia?

Robert Fish ● 1568d

Never, they treat everyone equally that's what we voted for.

Janice Evans ● 1568d

Over a beer and a curry😭

James Dow ● 1568d

So now he has the support of less than one third of the House of Commons.He is no longer able to command a majority.His days are numbered. But in the meantime he will continue to damage the country.

T P Howell ● 1568d

Problems are Global, you are intelligent enough to know that.

Janice Evans ● 1568d

It wasn't a general  election.

James Dow ● 1568d

An unprecedented chain of global events (covid, global inflation, Putin's war and consequent energy shortages) plus  our Etonian PM's self inflicted cock-ups (his needless lies, cronyism and breaking away from basic Tory principles) has put his party faithful in an ackward predicament.Do they stick with him and bear the brunt of all the extra baggage he carries, or force a new leader and pick one who wants to undermine Brexit, keep Northern Ireland annexed in perpetuity?Sometimes "Better the Devil you know" is the better option, at least it would be for the 17 and a half million who votedOut.

Denis I. Fox ● 1568d

The Conservatives' problem is that Johnson (together with that other lock down breaker Cummings) purged the party of anyone with any experience or judgement. Johnson has surrounded himself with very second rate people.So there ia no heir apparent.Hunt is probably as close as it gets.

T P Howell ● 1568d

Rishi has the potential to be a leader, Hunt no way. You are right across all the parties there is no one who stands out as a leader. Very sad state of affairs. The world is experiencing unprecedented challenges as a result of covid and war, I agree better the devil 👿 cost of living rises are nothing to do with the Tories. Having been so creative and generous during covid it’s hard to know how they can step in to help cost of living crisis. We have got used to cheap for decades the bubble was always going to burst it was just a matter of what would cause it Covid

Jayne Thorburn ● 1568d

Apparently Rishi doesn't want the job anymore and, while I thought earlier he might be the best candidate, having a billionaire tax avoider in charge of the government during a cost of living crisis is probably not a good idea.You say 'no way' to Hunt and that is a view probably shared by a good proportion of Tory party members but he is one of the few senior Tory MPs that has survived untainted by what has been going on over the last few years. Your objection to him is not based on his ability but his attitude to Brexit.He is now effectively the leader of the One Nation group of Tories that number around 60. On the other side there are probably a similar number of hard core Brexiteers. In the middle are the majority who are self-serving opportunists who will bend with the wind and support the government as long as they are on the payroll.That nobody resigned from the Cabinet this morning could suggest a leadership bid is not going to happen. The only explanation I can come up with is that all the potential candidates have decided it is a poison chalice - the economy is in a terrible state, the cost of living crisis seems likely to only get worse, the flagship Brexit policy is proving an utter disaster. A new leader would inherit all this plus the headache of having to reconcile two large but irreconcilable factions in the party. They collectively seem to have decided to leave Johnson to take the blame and fight it out to be leader of the opposition in two years time. This has the added advantage of leaving it to Labour to start the fraught process of unwinding Brexit.The only consolation for the rest of us is that, the total loss of authority for the Prime Minister, means that he won't be able to force through deliberately provocative or divisive culture war policies. The Northern Ireland Protocol now seems safe as his rebellious MPs won't be persuaded to endorse breaking international law. He'll be a political irrelevance and, if he had any sense he'd resign, but he doesn't so he won't.

Jeremy Parkinson ● 1568d

A fair summary, you are right with so many global challenges the role is a poison chalice for any leader regardless of party hence why we need a real leader with vision and I can’t think of anyone that fits the that role. Reversing brexit will be a nightmare and cost us a fortune, I am a remainer but to reverse it a tough one. The EU will take us to the cleaners to set an example to any other country that is partly why they are behaving so badly over NI.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1568d

I must say I find it quite astonishing that one of the reasons not to replace the PM is there is no one capable of taking over.Put it another way what they are saying is that out of 359 Tories there isn't a single one that has what it takes to do the job. Well, talk about shooting yourself in the foot!It's not mention much but what I found just as sickening as the lies is Sue Grey reporting the contemptible treatment some of the cleaning and security staff received at the hands of people working in Number Ten. I sincerely hope these mistreated people were asked to give evidence against the ill breed nobodies that were responsible. Perhaps they should try staying behind after work clearing up their crap and then get the night bus home.

Adrian Irving ● 1568d

Can you explain your assertion that rejoining the EU would 'cost a fortune'? It is generally accepted now, even by Brexiteers, that the contributions we used to make to the EU are a fraction of the economic cost of leaving. We may lose the rebate we used to have but the relatively slow growth of our economy since departure may reduce our net contribution. Also there will be a big balance sheet gain because we will no longer be responsible for the pension fund liabilities that were passed onto us.I don't think the EU will need to do anything extra to humiliate us if we ask to rejoin and will probably do what they can to ease our path to re-entry.Also, what gives you the idea that they are behaving badly over Northern Ireland? They seem to have done what they can to accommodate trade as they have the incentive of protecting the economy of one of their members, the Republic of Ireland. A UK government report confirms that and completely contradicts the rhetoric of the DUP and ministers. There are more winners than losers in Northern Ireland due to the Protocol and they voted decisively for parties that favour it in the recent elections.Bureaucracy is always annoying and there are always ways that it can be improved, and the EU has done what it can, within the treaty signed by this government to make it work better. However, it really has to be emphasised that all this extra bureaucracy was not the choice of the EU or the people of the island of Ireland. It was imposed on them by the British Government.

Jeremy Parkinson ● 1568d

'I must say I find it quite astonishing that one of the reasons not to replace the PM is there is no one capable of taking over.'Two thirds of Johnson's cabinet went to private schools  - so the fact that there is no-one with enough political nous or intelligence speaks volumes, what a complete waste of money their education was. All that money seems to have only given them this sense of complete entitlement and a belief that they are above others doing vital useful jobs that quite likely not one of them could do properly. Whatever expensive education gives you it clearly isn't a sense of humility and good manners, those qualities displayed by The Queen over this Jubilee weekend.

Vanessa Smith ● 1567d

blind loyalty from Janice,  our own bit of Nadine Dorris in Chiswick

Matthew Swain ● 1567d

I laughed at the condescending "you're intelligent enough" addressed, with an utter lack of self-awareness, to TP Howell.

Robert Fish ● 1567d

Nice attempt at whataboutery there from Mr Fish. A look at the make-up of Bojo's cabinet suggests that the Conservative Party is willing to endorse and promote people of all faiths and none, including those of Muslim, Hindu and Jewish backgrounds. They have also been willing to support female leaders. Shame the Labour Party cannot say the same.

Richard Greenhough ● 1567d

Try telling that to Baroness Warsi.

Robert Fish ● 1567d

It's not Boris Matthew it's Brexit and don't want to rejoin.

Janice Evans ● 1567d

Wasn't that temporary.

Janice Evans ● 1567d

No she quit ove Gaza policy.

Janice Evans ● 1567d

One fish doesn't make an aquarium.

Richard Greenhough ● 1567d

They just don't get it when we say there is no one else to do the job. 😏

Janice Evans ● 1567d

148 Tory MPs disagree with you.

Stewart Jones ● 1567d

They would regret it.

Janice Evans ● 1567d

You seem to know something they don’t. Perhaps you could tell us too.

Stewart Jones ● 1567d

211,tory MPs disagreeWith you.

James Dow ● 1567d

They disagree with 148 of their own MPs which is rather more  significant.

Stewart Jones ● 1567d

And guess who was lobbying the Tory MPs hard.ttps://www.thenational.scot/news/20189913.boris-johnson-tory-donors-plead-mps-support-pm-ahead-no-confidence-vote/

Philippa Bond ● 1567d

Here’s the link without the missing h …https://www.thenational.scot/news/20189913.boris-johnson-tory-donors-plead-mps-support-pm-ahead-no-confidence-vote/

Alastair Banton ● 1567d

er, like with …https://www.thenational.scot/news/20189913.boris-johnson-tory-donors-plead-mps-support-pm-ahead-no-confidence-vote/

Alastair Banton ● 1567d

"Dishonest whataboutery!" .... And what about ..I'm sorry for being dim, but was that irony intended? It just did not seem so from the post.

Nick Goodliffe ● 1567d

Quite right, Vanessa. And the Queen had no formal schooling at all.

Roger Talbot ● 1566d

Patel has booked an additional 149 seats to Rwanda. 148 for rebellious MPs from her own party.1 for Paddington bear.

Stewart Jones ● 1566d

Well Paddington's best mate is HM the Queen, so will she be going too?Lovely cartoon going around https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/sweet-sketch-queen-paddington-bear-27162968

James Roy ● 1566d

Despite her foreign ancestry, the Queen has been resident in this country long enough not to be at risk of deportation under the current regulations.Paddington Bear however has a number of reasons to be concerned. Even pre-Rwanda deportations his status was highly questionable as this analysis shows:https://freemovement.org.uk/an-immigration-lawyer-reviews-paddington-2-hostile-environment/

Felicity Caborn ● 1566d

There is a cartoon going around in which Paddington asks the Queen if he can do anything for her. She asks if he could form a government. He certainly couldn’t do any worse than Johnson.

Stewart Jones ● 1565d

'There is a cartoon going around in which Paddington asks the Queen if he can do anything for her. She asks if he could form a government.He certainly couldn’t do any worse than Johnson.'Ain't that the truth! Also - Paddington is better dressed.

Vanessa Smith ● 1565d

Fat chance of that happening... Priti Patel would deport Paddington to Rwanda.

Francis Sheehan ● 1565d

Now we are being bombarded with amazing 'new' initiatives including a reheated Right to Buy one, no doubt an attempt to help us "move on"The last time this was introduced it took at least eight council house sales to fund the building of one new home. (Scotland and Wales scrapped the scheme bty) I am not worried through as Johnson has promised, yes promised, cross my heart and hope to die, this will not be the case again. Social homes sold off on the cheap will be replaced on a one to one basis.Oh, and he also  said the yearly target of 300,000 new homes will be far exceeded next year.I guess he must think we still believe in the tooth fairy.

Adrian Irving ● 1564d

Just as  footnote, there have been 11 different housing ministers since 2010.As our friends across The Pond would say, you do the math.

Adrian Irving ● 1564d