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Dog attack - Acton Green

This horrid man’s dog just tried to rip my dog to shreds in front of me on Acton Green, clearly a vicious, out of control staffy - not on a lead. Anyone know him?

Jenny Smith ● 1580d36 Comments

Can’t post a picture, anyone know how to?

Jenny Smith ● 1580d

Have you reported to Hounlow Dog Warden and Police, you should. How's your dog ?

Loraine Pemberton ● 1580d

Jenny, there is another thread about a dog attack, have bump it to the top for you to read.

Janice Evans ● 1580d

Thank you for this report.It is time to take a stand against the irresponsible behaviour of people who are NOT keeping their dogs under proper control.Sandra Notarangelo's recent informative and helpful report was mocked by an idiotic pseudo-dog trainer's comment and a fool who ignored the simple fact that a dog NOT on a lead in a public space, is a risk.  Controlling a dog is always finally down to common sense, but not at the risk of creating hazard to others.

Roland Bolowski ● 1580d

A dog owner should know their dog well, very few dogs do attack another dog or person so it is totally unreasonable to punish the vast majority of well behaved dogs and dog owners. Any dog that behaves in a vicious manner should be on lead and wear a muzzle. That is the responsibility of a dog owner.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1580d

Well said Jayne Thorburn !Please let's name & shame those who allow their dogs to create danger and nuisance.It's time to take a stand for good behaviour of dog owners and the dogs under their control.We love our dogs, lets protect them by having them behave agreeably to everyone.

Roland Bolowski ● 1580d

I have a picture and a video of both, he laughed and I genuinely thought my dog was going to die the way he savaged her - she just lay there and didn't even fight back as she was so scared, she is still scared now and won't leave my side. I had to scream at his dog to get it off and he did absolutely nothing, it wasn't on the lead and flew at us from across the park. The dog was a brown staffy and it clearly does this all the time as neither of them were shocked, he didn't event apologise and it sidled off to him like nothing had happened. I am very local to this park, walk there every day and haven't noticed him before. He was also very angry and aggressive, and made some stupid comment about cutting us both and eating us from what I could hear from his strange muttering. I called the police, but they came and said they can't do anything unless we were bleeding or hospitalised. Had that have been a small dog or a child, god forbid. That dog though, as much as I love all animals was a savage and a danger. If anyone knows how I can upload an image of both of them, please do tell me.

Jenny Smith ● 1580d

I've sent you a personal message please email me back with photo

Loraine Pemberton ● 1580d

Try not to walk dogs alone while this person is around, especially a childas they could also be attacked by this dog.

Janice Evans ● 1580d

Please someone post a picture of the dog owner and dog (if available).

Andrew Jones ● 1580d

I PM'd Jenny asking her to email me the photo bit not heard back from her

Loraine Pemberton ● 1579d

Jenny, you can load photos more easily on the new version of chiswickW4at:-https://new.chiswickw4.com/#home

Michael David Rowe ● 1579d

I think that Mr Borowski's comment may refer to me so I would like to set the record straight. I did not mock the original post, simply offered an informed suggestion aimed at keeping people safe.It is far from a "fact" that dogs off lead in public spaces are a risk and "controlling" a dog requires considerably more than "common sense", and attempting to do so without professional help is far more likely to result in hazards to others than not.I set up CReDO, the Campaign for Responsible Dog Ownership several years ago precisely to provide information about best practice and offer training to prevent similar incidents from occurring.By all means, disagree with me but please do not impugn my professional credentials. I gained distinctions in the post graduate qualifications of Advanced Diplomas in Canine and Feline Behaviour and am one of only 45 KPA qualified animal trainers in the UK (and only 2,000 worldwide), also gained with distinction, as well as being registered with the Animal Behaviour and Training Council. The latter is a registration that is by invitation only, which ensures that those on the register are accredited as being fully qualified and undertake regular continuing professional education with recognised organisations. I specialise in working with basal breeds of dog. I am also  member of the Society of Small Animal Professionals. I have a qualifications (again with distinction) in canine first aid and canine and feline nutrition and I undertake annual training in canine law. I am currently finishing an Advanced Diploma in Applied Animal Behaviour having just obtained a distinctions in all of the course work, and in the dissertation which looked at the use of markers in dog training. The use of playground tactics of name-calling is sadly par for the course on this site and is water off a duck's back, but I can assure anyone, whether they agree with me or not, that I am far from "pseudo" as far as dog training qualifications are concerned; I in fact hold for more qualifications than many other trainers not only in this area, but in the country as a whole. Call me an idiot if you like, but I am at least one with recognised, accredited qualifications.

Charlotte Kasner ● 1579d

Unfortunately there's a lot of people on this forum who have had enough of experts. 

John Hall ● 1579d

Jenny a photo if you have one would be a great help for other dogowners/walkers.

Janice Evans ● 1579d

I have direct messaged Lorraine re: sending pics and I don't know if the messages aren't being received between us as I didn't hear back...

Jenny Smith ● 1579d

Jenny Smith ● 1579d

JennyNot heard from you but will PM you again with my email address

Loraine Pemberton ● 1579d

I saw the man and his aged Staffie on Turnham Green last week, fortunately no problems with them.

Loraine Pemberton ● 1579d

Well, I don't think its particularly old and it was extremely fast and agile — age shouldn't come in to it, the dog is dangerous and my dog is a lovely, well behaved vizsla who was minding her own business. We weren't even near to them, his dog made a bee line for us across the park and ripped in to her. I am sure this won't be the last dog attack we hear of, and I am sure if it was you who this happened to you would be staying well away from them both. I truly hope not to hear of any children or other dogs this animal gets hold of because the next time, it may not be a good ending for any of them. The owner was a horrible piece of work as well. 

Jenny Smith ● 1579d

Thank you so much for this photo.This gives everyone a fair chance to keep safe and also show that we cannot hide and have anonymity when our pets are not properly controlled .  The owner/dog-handler is 100% responsible.Unfortunately that self-publicising, pseudo-dog trainer windbag seems to have totally lost the plot.  DOGS SHOULD BE UNDER CONTROL, ANY DOUBTS, THEN KEEP YOUR DOG ON A LEAD UNTIL YOU CAN BE SURE.  STAY SAFE.

Roland Bolowski ● 1579d

"Unfortunately that self-publicising, pseudo-dog trainer windbag seems to have totally lost the plot."What a truly horrible thing to say, not to mention wholly inaccurate and untrue.

Loraine Pemberton ● 1579d

Thank you for the photo's.

Janice Evans ● 1578d

Not self-publicising Mr Borowski, just exercising a right of reply on public forum on which my professional credentials have been called into account. As I wrote earlier, childish name-calling is water off a duck's back and honestly does more harm to the accuser than the accused.I'm not sure what "plot" is missing here. I don't feel the need to "shout" and use capitals, but I couldn't agree more: dogs should be under control and, if in doubt, keep your dog on lead or long line.The way that is achieved is through effective, non-aversive training.Quod erat demonstrandum.

Charlotte Kasner ● 1578d

I totally agree with Loraine Pemberton, but was there really a need to repeat that comment.What Charlotte Kasner wrote is almost wholly accurate and true:  "dogs should be under control and, if in doubt, keep your dog on lead or long line." Vestra interpunctione melius !

Roland Bolowski ● 1578d

Now that is showing off and trying to demonstrate your superior education.  Is your punctuation always meticulous?  Latin is only taught as a specialist subject these days and therefore it’s knowledge unknown to the majority.  My deduction is that you are in the age 70 bracket and something of a pedant.

Elizabeth Ross ● 1578d

Amo, Amas, Amat .....

John Roberts ● 1578d

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Adrian Irving ● 1577d

Or as Nero once said: "Quo Vadis..."

Brian Coyle ● 1577d

Very few dogs are actually born vicious, it’s down to a human do has treated the dog badly , I say punish the owner with a massive fine and/or prison time and try to rehabilitate the dog. Humans are bad but it is completely wrong to destroy an animal that has bad owners.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1577d

This is very interesting, however I did call the police who came out to the park and they cannot do very much unless blood is drawn on either the human or dog — th ought this was a little ridiculous considering how much more severe it could have been!

Jenny Smith ● 1576d

If the offending dog didn’t actually cause any harm there is no case to answer. Dogs can get a little rough when playing but they normally stop which obviously happened in this situation. Give the dog the benefit of the doubt it’s the owner in the wrong,

Jayne Thorburn ● 1576d

Jayne Thorburn should be ashamed of those comments.People are posting information here to warn people about a particular potential danger.A dog out of control is a danger and a hazard.Perhaps some fools want a dead dog or an horrid accident to befall a poor innocent. We all want to and have our different ways to enjoy our pets. Overall it is better to be cautious, take care, consider others and keep everyone, including our pets, safe !

Roland Bolowski ● 1576d

Roland? all dogs can be out of control when playing and having fun but that doesn’t mean they cause any harm to anyone. Think we all need to be a little more tolerate. I am obviously not advocating vicious dog behaviour but in my experience as I said very few dogs are born vicious it’s the owners.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1576d

Thanks for the helpful photo.

Jonathan Mabbutt ● 1575d

Some dogs are kept out too long without water on hot days and no shade for them, not all dogs love the hot weather.

Janice Evans ● 1575d