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Zelenskyy praises Boris

Warm words, for our BorisMake you feel proud to beBritish.?

James Dow ● 1640d61 Comments

I'm very proud of both.

Janice Evans ● 1640d

Boris is a Knob.

Brian Green ● 1640d

A brass one or Golden one

James Dow ● 1640d

'Boris is a Knob.'Can't disagree with that - people who don't have to put up with his bluff and bluster - may have a distorted view of him - the rest of us know different.

Vanessa Smith ● 1640d

It's fortunate that we were in the middle of making large cuts to the armed forces so we had loads of spare equipment to give them.

Mark Evans ● 1640d

Sure sign he's doing a good job when they start name calling.

Janice Evans ● 1640d

Love the distorted view bit,from an armchair in Chiswick, to war torn Ukraine.

James Dow ● 1640d

I didn't realise you were personally acquainted with the PM, Vanessa - I guess that your having to put up with his bluff and bluster might indeed colour your opinion of him. But does Carrie know ?

Richard Greenhough ● 1640d

Those words might be taken back when more comes details come forward in regard to Boris and his Oligarch connections!  The question will arise as to whether Boris is s security risk, as well as the other descriptions of him.

Jonathan Mabbutt ● 1640d

I never really understand why we call him by his first name anyway. He is known to his family as Alexander, or Al. He changed his name to Boris at Oxford to get himself noticed. It was a good move by him, it has to be said. But for him to be constantly referred to as Boris, as if he’s one’s mate  the down the pub, is laughable.Call him Johnson which some Americans use as a very interesting slang word for....... Google it.How appropriate too as he was born in NYC.

Stewart Jones ● 1640d

You can't turn back the clock though. What the UK does right now is more important currently than what has happened in the past. FWIW I think the UK is one of the countries that is currently providing much more support to Ukraine in its fight for survival than some others. And yes, there are plenty of things that could still be done, and things that shouldn't have been done in the past.

Andrew Jones ● 1640d

It is down on record that when he was Foreign Secretary, he was considered a risk and information was withheld from him. Another huge mistake by Theresa May in appointing a narcissistic liar  to her Cabinet. But it’s the path we have chosen so we have to deal with the consequences.

Stewart Jones ● 1640d

It’s nice that someone has warm words for Boris.  Maybe he is doing a good job - he certainly got Brexit done and the vaccine task force played a blinder - and now Zelenskyy is happy for the training and fast supply of antitank munitions he’s supplied.  Compare his record to Europe’s or specifically Germanys and or Frances - would you want to be tied to their slow ineffective response or free to act swiftly as a sovereign state answerable only to its own citizens.

Charles Carr-Jones ● 1640d

Yes it is true that Boris got Brexit done and sent the country into economic decline and made us the laughing stock of the world and the kicking dog of Europe. Although Cummings was the architect of Brexit. Boris just did as he was told. He is pretty much useless except at lying!

Steve Taylor ● 1639d

Yes it is true that Boris got Brexit done and sent the country into economic decline and made us the laughing stock of the world and the kicking dog of Europe. Although Cummings was the architect of Brexit. Boris just did as he was told. He is pretty much useless except at lying!

Steve Taylor ● 1639d

Johnson may have screwed up nearly everything he has put his chubby hand to but on this occasion let's be generous and give him and Britian as a whole some credit for getting this one right. Not completely right granted but at least we haven't shilly shalled like some of our allies.

Adrian Irving ● 1639d

We are a lot further away than our European allies and have the least to lose so perhaps Boris can afford to be somewhat more gung ho!  He is also  trying to detract from the financial disaster of Brexit so he can claim that our  economic decline is the direct result of us helping out Ukraine.  Not to mention that he is also trying to detract from Partygate.  He has ulterior motives for all of his actions.

Steve Taylor ● 1639d

Unreal, johnson is working hard to support freedom of a sovereign country, he has demonstrated real determination and influence on the world stage. Zelensky knows more than anyone on this forum what he has and is doing to support Ukraine. If you respect Zelensky then respect his words because he knows more than any of us just what Johnson is doing much of which we will never know for security reasons. Stop behaving like kids in a playground respect Ukraine and their fight, I am proud that the UK is doing everything possible to stop this appalling war.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1639d

Stop behaving like a schoolgirl with a crush on the head boy then.

Stewart Jones ● 1639d

Jayne, nothing Boris does could please Mr Jones, and nothing Silly Steve posts is worth bothering about.

Richard Greenhough ● 1639d

Agree, you just can't please some people.

Janice Evans ● 1639d

Iam no fan of Johnson, there are too many uncertainties with him and he presents to me as having an aura of self appointed entitlement behind that pseudo aura of the bumbling amatuer about him, but he has called this right.I only wish that Ben Wallace and Johnson had been listened to by the National Security Council a couple of years ago.I go by what Zekenski has said, and what he hasn't said ie:he has singled no other leader in Europe for this level of praise and gratitude.Remember, we know what the press has told us about the help we have given to Ukraine, but if you don't think there is much more help we are giving them behind the scenes,you might want to think again.

Keith Iddon ● 1639d

Fines have just been issued for the  parties that didn’t  take place and then did take place  but within the guidelines. Someone is lying.....again.

Stewart Jones ● 1639d

...I like his stance on women's rights: he's saying he doesn't think we should redefine the word 'woman' to suit a few men who want to redefine it for their own personal reasons (which my wife calls "the ultimate mansplain").Even if it's probably not his genuine opinion, but just an attempt to be popular, I still like it.Meanwhile Keir doesn't seem to have an opinion and wants to avoid the issues because he doesn't want to upset anybody.So if there were an election tomorrow, I would take a deep breath and vote for Boris, for that reason.

Simon Pedley ● 1639d

There can be no doubt Johnson has had a good war. From what I hear he did have to exert pressure to get the current level of military support to Ukraine in the face of some resistance from within government.That said it was only a war that could have saved him and it is hard to imagine he couldn't believe his luck when the conflict broke out. He is old enough the remember the deep unpopularity of Mrs Thatcher before Falklands War.Looking back on what he has said over the past decade, it is difficult to conclude that he is either a Russian asset or some sort of Nostradamus about Ukraine.It seems to me reasonable to assume that the Russians cross-subsidised his columns in the Telegraph because they wanted to give him a platform. They are sophisticated enough to know that if they told him to weekly tell readers how marvellous his friend Vladimir was his credibility would be blown but they would have been quite content with his regular EU bashing as it served their purposes.While he was never a Putin cheer leader, Johnson seemed reluctant to criticise him and would often pick up on Kremlin talking points. Following the first invasion of Ukraine, Johnson blamed EU foreign policy for what he describes pointedly as Russian action in 'The Ukraine'. He also praised Putin for his 'ruthless clarity' in acting against ISIS in Palmyra in concert with Assad's forces - this being a regime that had launched a chemical attack on its own citizens.However, Johnson's attitude to Putin does seem to change when he is in government. Remember that he is not allowed to get the £250,000 per annum that get from the Telegraph when he is a minister. It seems a lifetime ago but Wallpapergate was basically down to Johnson not being able to afford to decorate his own flat himself.As it seems unlikely that the Russians will ever have the inclination or resources to try and exert soft power again, Johnson can quite happily burn his boats with them and pose as the most hawkish of western leaders. It is up to each of us to decide if he does this in his personal self interest or a commitment to the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

Jeremy Parkinson ● 1639d

Words are cheap. His treatment of the women in his life does not bear testament to an advocate of women’s rights.

Stewart Jones ● 1639d

Yes, I entirely agree Stewart.But I'd still vote for him on the basis that my voting decision shouldn't depend on how he behaves (which is badly) or whether I like him or not (which I don't) so much as whether I like his policies or not.Of course ideally we'd have politicians who both deserve some respect as human beings and have sensible policies, and if one came along I'd vote for them instead.

Simon Pedley ● 1639d

Which particular policies do you have in mind?

Stewart Jones ● 1639d

Shows you what a game this all is seeing as Boris and his chums are sloshing around in Russia money!Zelensky is a sack of crap himself so takes one to know one.

Basil Finnis ● 1639d

Basil, your post is extremely offensive, Zelensky a sack of crap…..clearly you are an extremely nasty individual, you try being president of a country in war, absolutely disgusting as Will says never mention Zelensk in your mouth again, outrageous comments not worthy of a chiswick resident, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself

Jayne Thorburn ● 1639d

Basil...what exactly is your beef with Zelensky?Seems like a good guy to me.

Simon Pedley ● 1639d

"Zelensky is a sack of crap himself so takes one to know one". You obviously know something we don't Basil, but to show this, you need to explain in some detail, as to how you arrive at that description. All you've done is make an unsubstantiated, meaningless statement. Not your usual sort of comment.

Brian Joseph Coyle ● 1639d

Hi Jayne … please accept this as being slightly tongue in cheek but … “not worthy of a Chiswick resident?”Chiswick residents aren’t vetted for their inclination to make outrageous offensive comments prior to being allowed to take up residence in Chiswick!PS I totally admire the way Volodymir Zelinskyy has risen to the immense challenge he and the country he is president of faces. Like many politicians his past isn’t beyond reproach, but he’s a courageous inspiring individual and not what Basil said he was.

Andrew Jones ● 1639d

"..a sack of crap himself so takes one to know one.."Hoist by your own petard there, Basil.

Richard Greenhough ● 1639d

Is that official Conservative policy? Can the local councillors confirm?

Paul Scullion ● 1639d

Basil seems to have gone AWOL all of a sudden.

Brian Joseph Coyle ● 1639d

Maybe his account was hacked by the FSB.

Simon Pedley ● 1639d

Maybe Basil has been caught by Sybil and is getting a really good ear bashing.Go Sybil!

Adrian Irving ● 1639d

Basil has a dark sense of humour we hope.

Janice Evans ● 1639d

´Something must be found, first, to restore women’s desire to be married. That means addressing the feebleness of the modern Briton, his reluctance or inability to take control of his woman and be head of a household’From Johnson himself.

Stewart Jones ● 1639d

Sorry I was stunned how on a local forum hence reference to chiswick (sorry) someone could be so disrespectful to zelensky, so he was a comedian in his last life, he has handled himself with such bravery and dignity to protect the people he serves I am full of admiration as I reckon so are most of the people in the western world. We are so judgmental of people who opt to be elected to govern, none of them are perfect and nor would I want them to be, they are human but they put themselves forward to do a job very few would want. Ukrainians must feel extremely proud of their leader and the determination of so many to fight to protect their freedom & country.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1639d

I suppose that’s what Stanley Johnson was doing when he hit his wife and broke her nose.

Stewart Jones ● 1638d

"...I like his stance on women's rights: he's saying he doesn't think we should redefine the word 'woman' to suit a few men who want to redefine it for their own personal reasons (which my wife calls "the ultimate mansplain")."This aged well. Possibly even a new record for Boris.

Paul Scullion ● 1636d

In his past wasn't Ukraine's Jewish president Voloddmyr Zelensky associated with so-called Neo-Nazis? The link below sees Voloddmyr Zelensky recently shaking hands with Ukranian 'neo-Nazi paramilitaries'. There certainly appears to be an acceptance of neo-Nazis in the Ukranian military . Am just inquiring. Otherwise, one understands (from Wikipedia) that like Russian oligarchs whose assets have been frozen in the UK Mr Zelensky and his family similarly own UK property. https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/europe/how-ukraines-jewish-president-volodymyr-zelensky-made-peace-with-neo-nazi-paramilitaries-on-front-lines-of-war-with-russia/?fbclid=IwAR35Hemskjtf0GzJ0O2z7PB1xwmG5ALB0JsbyXsMjoGxQW4D6cBBBuwOmCs Two further links worth a perusal is Oliver Stone's ducu-film about Ukraine's recent Nazi history and USA reporter Lara Logan's extraordinary decrying of the Ukranian president.

Bobbie Carnegie ● 1634d

Apologies Here are the two other refs ~ Oliver Stone ducu film link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGQfiImnZHE and Lara Logan link: : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvfyBBnHABE

Bobbie Carnegie ● 1634d

This would be the same Lara Logan who, apart from linking Zelenskiy to satanic occult practices, also compared Fauci to Mengele, and promoted claims that the Rothschilds engineered the American Civil War and the assassinations of Lincoln and Kennedy. Strictly for loons!Clearly the Azov Brigade contains some hard-right nutters, but they are tolerated because they have played a useful role in combatting the Russians. However it would be wrong to deduce that Zelenskiy is associated with Neo-Nazis in any wider sense. Do you have evidence, other than the comments of a reporter who's gone rogue?

Robert Fish ● 1634d

I didn't just cite Lara Logan. What about the Oliver Stone docu-film? And, please supply yourself loon links to Lara Logan. As you say, eyebrow lifting as it might be, there's times when accepting soldiers or conscripts of a hard-right demeanour can pay dividends right now with fighting Russians. Wasn't one of Putin's reasons for invading Ukraine to deal a blow to Ukraine's Nazis which any so-called Natis existing has entirely been played down, if denied completely. Let's not kid ourselves that propaganda is utilised a-plenty on 'our' side.

Bobbie Carnegie ● 1634d

Well put Bobbie.

Basil Finnis ● 1634d

I said previously (in this thread) that Zelensky's past isn't beyond reproach, and I've also looked at the Azov Brigade's website where the insignia and torch lit processions certainly hark back to the 1930s and Nazi era, but in 2014 the Azov brigade were one of the organisations that prevented the Russian backed rebels from taking over even more sovereign Ukranian territory, given that the Ukranian army back then were totally ineffective and disorganised.But, even knowing all that, I would rather support Zelensky and his country's struggle against the Russian invasion, than Putin - what about you Bobbie and Basil?Do you believe what the Kremlin/Putin/Lavrov are saying about what is happening in Ukraine? And do you think the invasion was justified?

Andrew Jones ● 1634d

Oliver Stone makes no pretence at balance. He is a contrarian who aims to be provocative. He gives both Putin and Yanukovitch a platform they scarcely deseve. Harking back to the activities of Ukrainian nationalists during and after World War II is hardly cogent evidence of the supposed neo-Nazi character of Zelenskiy's government.

Robert Fish ● 1634d

Here are a few Lara Logan loony links, as requested:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59485508https://www.newsweek.com/lara-logan-rothschild-charles-darwin-evolution-theory-1692813https://www.mediamatters.org/lara-logan/fox-nation-host-lara-logan-shares-conspiracy-theories-about-putins-purge-rothschild

Robert Fish ● 1634d

It's curious, as she used to be a very serious and highly-regarded reporter, and then she became too QAnonish even for Fox.

Robert Fish ● 1634d

do you believe Putin, and in his claims what exactly is he afraid ofthat leads to destruction and mass murder.

Janice Evans ● 1633d

I'm sure many Russians must have been concerned about their "encirclement" as a result of the Eastward expansion of Nato. But Putin's words and actions go way beyond that - he is a 21st century Russian imperialist. He's always been an evil bastard, but now he's a mad evil bastard. My hunch is he's taking steroids for some malignant complaint (look at the change in his face), and they're driving him nuts.

Robert Fish ● 1633d

Yes Robert he's afraid of NATO, have read he is having treatment for something.

Janice Evans ● 1633d

Robert, David Owen said exactly the same regarding bad Vlad's use of steroids and how it has also changed his behaviour toward others over time.

Keith Iddon ● 1633d

Thanks for that, Keith - very interesting. I wasn't aware of David Owen's comments on Putin. I've just Googled them. I doubt it's anabolic steroids - more likely corticosteroids, which are used sometimes in cancer treatement. I read somewhere that Putin's had 30-odd visits from a cancer specialist. I know how corticosteroids play with your mind. A family member became almost demented after taking them for two years.

Robert Fish ● 1633d

For balance, and without excusing present alleged Russian atrocities, see link to a French docu film that cites Donbas horror witnessed on the other side albeit in 2016. More recent Ukrainian troubles seems to be a continuation and a bubbling away with what's gone before surely? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs&t=0s

Bobbie Carnegie ● 1632d

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M86o5o7a0FGlPRdt47xiDiggbNsZLinks to a lot (100+) of (short) documentaries about the conflict in the 2010s.Some of the footage is extremely graphic, so if you choose to view it be warned (the graphic footage illustrates the realities of shelling and bombing and isn't gratuitous, and I don't think there is that much of it, but there is certainly some).

Andrew Jones ● 1632d

Also, for balance:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

Andrew Jones ● 1632d

And here's one just for you Bobbie,https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vkza/russian-agent-maria-butina-ukraine-facism

Andrew Jones ● 1632d