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Francis,Well done on actually referring to data.  I should have explained that the June measurements are averages from 5 to 10 dates in May, June and July.  The 'foxes' meant that there isn't sufficient dates in any of those month to claim an accurate average for the month itself.  However there doesn't appear to be any trend across all the data from those months.Your claim that the reduction of traffic is because of economic activity in Heathrow still doesn't stand up to scrutiny. September 2020 traffic on Hartington, Staveley and Sutton Court Rd before the measures were implemented was the same as it was in September 2019.  DfT traffic data for September 2020 also showed traffic at 95% or more of pre-Covid.There were 6.8M passengers at LHR in September 2019 compared to 1.2M in September 2020.What is your explanation of why traffic through Grove Park in September 2020 was the same as it was in September 2019 despite hugely reduced activity in Heathrow? There was no change in Grove Park traffic despite LHR having one fifth the number of passengers. Ignoring this and claiming that the subsequent fall of Grove Park traffic in May-July 2021 had nothing to do with the introduction of the measures in Hartington and Staveley doesn't stand up at all as a serious hypothesis.Can you please point out anywhere it says that the aim of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods is to have no impact on residents driving?The objective is to enable more walking and cycling within the area. That is usually achieved by both 'carrot' (reducing traffic on the roads and making them safer and more attractive) and 'stick' (making some journeys more unattractive by car).

Michael Robinson ● 1895d

Michael, once again I find myself having to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are posting in error not to deliberate mislead.My point was never that Heathrow traffic was the primary determinate of the amount of journeys through Grove Park. What would have been self-evident to anyone who has read my posts was that I was trying to explain to you that making categoric claims that the restrictions are the sole cause of any change in traffic patterns at the moment is unsound. Despite your attempt to obfuscate the figures, the decline in traffic in the area coincided with a reduction in usage of Heathrow. It is clearly one of many factors influencing the number of journeys taken in the area.As for how an LTN is defined and what its aims are I looked at both the Living Streets site and Ealing Council's (couldn't find anything particularly relevant on Hounslow's) and they both explicitly give the primary aim as reducing through traffic. In this regard, the proposals for South Chiswick, impractical as they may be, are exactly in line with the stated aims of LTNs.Ealing to not mention the notion of making journeys for residents more difficult as an objective of LTNs. Living Streets do raise the possibility that requiring local drivers to take more circuitous routes to get home could encourage some people to walk or cycle instead. The problem with this notion, and probably the reason that they don't give it much prominence, is that the modal shift would need to be sufficient to offset the extra driving that is generated through an area by residents needing to take longer routes in the area. It will obviously depend scheme by scheme, but even where there is a net benefit it will probably be so marginal as to make the restriction unjustifiable.

Francis Rowe ● 1891d