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HUGE INCREASE IN COVID in W4

Alarming story on front page here regardng big increase in Covid cases around the Brentford Leisure Centre - may I suggest the influx of "outsiders" coming into that area using facilities of the pool and the actual football stadium is a factor.   Are all these extra visitors distancing and wearing masks?   If they are not obeying the rules they are putting hundreds of other people at risk.   The various events in the Bedford Park area are also attracting hundreds of outside visitors to the area.   How can the Covid rules be better enforced?

Jennifer selig ● 1940d100 Comments

I do understand your concerns, however the GP quoted on the front page speculates that it may be the large number of children attending schools in other boroughs that are driving the increase. Also the “rules” are due to be removed in 2 weeks as far as we’re being told, I think that makes it very difficult to persuade people to continue to follow rules on things like mask wearing until then.Personally I will find it very difficult to stop wearing a mask in certain spaces, shops etc, but unfortunately that means I’m protecting others not myself.

Alexandra McDevitt ● 1940d

The significant increase in cases is around Bedford Park NOT Brentford's Fountain Leisure which is depicted only because it is offering walk-up vaccinations.

N V Brooks ● 1940d

A rise in cases is to be expected as the delta variant finds those who have not been vaccinated, particularly younger people. Indications are that more lockdown will have little impact here as the delta appears to evade such measures more easily than earlier variants.The data points to watch are not cases but hospitalisation and death. If the vaccines are doing their job, and all indications are that they are, and the vast majority of younger people keep experiencing far less severe symptoms, we should not be so concerned with a spike in cases.

Russell Pearson ● 1940d

Thank you Russel.

Jennifer selig ● 1940d

Dr Bharat Pankhania, a Senior Clinical Lecturer in Communicable Diseases at the University of Exeter’s medical school:“Dr Pankhania told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The gold standard would be to be cautious even if you have been immunised twice – in other words, fully immunised.“However, as a measured action going forward I think it is okay and my reasons are as follows: an immunised person is less infectious and furthermore the testing of people who are in quarantine isolating is pretty inaccurate, so balancing both, I think it is perfectly okay.”Asked whether he thought vaccines had broken the link between infections, hospital admissions and death, Dr Pankhania said: “You are absolutely right in that we are now noticing that while the case numbers have gone up, a proportionate similar rise in the number of hospitalisations and deaths has not occurred and therefore we feel that the vaccines are working and they are working really well at preventing people from entering ICU, ventilators and death.”

Russell Pearson ● 1940d

The article is rather out of date. There is little sign of statistically significant excess cases specifically in W4, but rather we were seeing the effect of cases in the south of England being concentrated in population centres:

Tom Pike ● 1940d

Because the economy is king, and with lots of individual me me me's freely socialising about who don't give a monkeys and never did, it's now about us all having to accept a level of Covid morbidities so long as it doesn't hit 'me' despite my jabs and that 'I' don't go down with Delta, or other emerging variant, which its possible to contract, and die of or that we develop horrid long-Covid. Fingers crossed and 'over the top' - aye?

Bobbie Carnegie ● 1940d

Looking at Tom's map..a visit to Shepherd's Bush Market doesn't look advisable. The £1 bag of mixed nuts will have to stay there!

Jim Lawes ● 1940d

It's still rather patchy in London, certainly growing case numbers on average, but when counts are below 50 there's also very considerable sampling error and it would be a mistake to single out a neighbourhood on that basis.However, it might be worth giving Oxford a miss: the central MSOA has 314 cases, 10 times a week ago. That's by any measure a significant outbreak and puts worrying about a dozen cases in W4 into perspective.

Tom Pike ● 1940d

I don't understand why children are included in the count when they aren't receiving covid vaccination. It doesn't make sense.

Anthony Tan ● 1940d

Children can still transmit to others, so the if the map of case rates is used as an indicator of risk they should definitely be included. There are separate figures on the number of vaccinated, one or two doses, and unvaccinated cases that can be used to asses the efficacy of the various vaccines.

Tom Pike ● 1940d

There seems to have been two more days of data since the article was published and infections have risen a bit further. It isn't a dozen cases in W4 - there have been close to 100 in the latest week.The Oxford outbreak will be among students and is hardly surprising. You'd probably be fine to visit if you didn't go into one of the colleges. There is also a large amount of student accommodation in the areas of Hammersmith and Shepherd's Bush where rates are high. Chiswick doesn't have lots of students and demographically is older than many of the areas which have very high rates so the consistently higher rates are a bit perplexing. While the rates of infection aren't anywhere near what they were earlier in the year and hospitalisations are even lower proportionally, they have started to rise so complacency is probably not in order.

Mark Evans ● 1940d

We were talking about higher than normal infection rates in Chiswick two weeks ago so I don't think this can be written off as a statistical blip. The highest infection rates are among the 15-24 age group at the moment and I think the GP quoted probably has come up with at least part of the explanation. Older school pupils from Chiswick are going to some of the same bars as college students in the Hammersmith and Shepherd's Bush area. It would be wrong but understandable if some establishments weren't checking IDs as rigorously as they used to in the current environment. It might be an idea for the police to do more checks.

Francis Rowe ● 1940d

A few points/questions.Anyone with children at said Hammersmith schools aware if there is a significant outbreak in the school?Do we know vaccination rates at local levels? Maybe the good people of NE Chiswick are more likely to get themselves tested if feeling ill. More generally, rates are highest amongst secondary school aged pupils, but also high for younger schoolchildren and those in their twenties. The NE of England shows a more worrying recent trend with rates for over 30s there now also increasing rapidly - expect hospital admissions to increase too. With the imminent end of all public health measures it won’t just be us that have freedom but the virus too which will spread even more quickly amongst the unvaccinated young, likely reaching over 100,000 cases a day. Seems sensible to me to keep some measures in place eg ventilation, masks indoors, restrictions on indoor gatherings such as nightclubs for a few more weeks to get more young people vaccinated or double vaccinated.

David Turner ● 1940d

The interactive map athttps://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/vaccinationsdoes show first and second dose percentages at the MSOA level.I was surprised how pale North Acton/Old Oak/White City was compared with the surrounding areas and Hammersmith and Fulham generally seemed less blue than Chiswick. Perhaps this is an age phenomenon ?

Tim Henderson ● 1939d

Scientists and Boris are saying different things.Mad libertarians and backers must be piling the pressure on.

Philippa Bond ● 1939d

Thanks Tim, interesting to explore that map. Much of west London only has around 1/3 of adults double vaccinated and around 1/2 with a first dose. North Acton has just 25% double vaccinated.  So I’d expect very large increases in cases once  restrictions are lifted, just hope that doesn’t lead to surge in hospital admissions. Isn’t Javid a libertarian? The cynic in me now wonders whether Hancock was set up by those who didn’t want another delay. Whatever happened to data not dates? Personally I think they should have kept some restrictions eg masks in shops and on public transport.

David Turner ● 1939d

I can't see how not wearing masks on public transport will encourage more people to use it.

Philippa Bond ● 1939d

I agree Philippa, it will make more people nervous about returning to the commute.

David Turner ● 1939d

Don't worry - you'll be locked up and masked up, again, soon. Already planned.

Michael Brown ● 1939d

Like it or not, I will still use my face mask in public transport and crowded places (even if it is outdoors). Though I've been double-jabbed a month ago, I still feel it is safer to wear a mask.

Anthony Tan ● 1938d

So will we and so will the scientists and a lot of people who care not just about themselves but about other people too.

Philippa Bond ● 1938d

Agree with Anthony and Philippa

Loraine Pemberton ● 1938d

One day masks and social distancing, one minute past midnight no longer needed! = Madness. Stir into the mix Wembley and 60000 packed in! Well I will not be going down to the supermarket without a mask simply because I am to scared to, also I respect other shoppers. I am going to buy more masks today!

Nicholas Beard ● 1938d

I was beginning to go back into shops. Now I'll revert to click&collect, and internet shopping.

Ken Munn ● 1938d

Sainsbury’s announced this evening that there will be no requirement to wear a mask after the 19th. Presumably they will remove all the other measures that they have put in their stores. It’s an inevitable consequence of Johnson’s announcement yesterday. He’s washed his hands of it all, says it’s all about personal responsibility so then he can blame people when the infection rate (as the Minister of Health has predicted) hits 100k a day. The PM is also aware that the UK is going to face food shortages this summer because of labour shortages as a result of Brexit.  Not hard to imagine he will say that the food shortages are a result of the pandemic....

Stewart Jones ● 1938d

If it’s already planned then please tell us when Michael, or at least tell us what you mean by soon. 1 week? 1 month? 1 year? 1 decade? 1 century?

Andrew Jones ● 1937d

"Now I'll revert to click&collect, and internet shopping"Consider this, Ken: the carbon footprint generated by Amazon in the past year was greater than that of Ireland.

David Lesniak ● 1937d

Stewart, we will continue wth masks etc., it is our responsibility to lookout for ourself and always was.

Janice Evans ● 1937d

Nice to see you are back Jennifer.

Janice Evans ● 1937d

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/coronavirus-cabinet-to-meet-again-on-wednesday-to-discuss-new-measures-673099Israel is having a few problems and seem to be proactive in dealing with them.No free for all there.

Adrian Irving ● 1937d

That's not strictly correct Adrian, as Israel removed the need for its population to wear face masks inside in mid June, only to do a U-turn 10 days later because of a rise in cases due to the delta variant.I may be in the minority but for once I'm all for the route we're going down.  Of course there'll still be a minority of inconsiderate idiots, but we can't allow our lives to continue to be restricted because of a minority.      It's time to get on with our lives and learn to live with covid - there's not a single country (at least none with any significant population) that has completely eradicated covid  no matter what action they have or haven't taken, which to me speaks volumes.Or, to put it another way, what is the alternative ?.  It's all well and good talking about inconsiderate and selfish people not wearing masks, but people saying how they're still not going out or going to work because they are 'scared' then are arguably just being as inconsiderate or selfish given the harm their 'stagnation' will do to the economy.

Adam Beamish ● 1937d

Over 45 million people in the UK have had their first jab Nicholas, and just under 34 million people their 2nd, or 86.2% and 64.3% respectively.  Compare that to how, and I was shocked to read this earlier, less than 10% in Australia have been vaccinated.But of course the scaremongers will continue to scaremonger...

Adam Beamish ● 1937d

my " back of the ciggy packet"  calculation over the last two-three weeks is there's a significant increase in the number of people attending the testing centre at Welstead way - when i walk past or down prebend or at the gym , i invarably see three or four people clutching testers and /or asking for directions . In all cases they are coming from hammersmith direction and mostly they seem to have a young child or two with them- make of that what you will- however if someone tests postive at Welstead way does that count as " bedfordPark"  Either way, postitive tests doesnt indicate people who are ill with it, does it? Or are you still believing that nonsense>?!

Tim Garfoot ● 1937d

The point I noted from the article was the Israeli government are considering stepping up enforcement of mask wearing in enclosed public places. Seems proactive to me. Our lot are relying on the general public using their common sense.Let's see how that goes shall we.

Adrian Irving ● 1937d

If there are, as predicted, 100k infections a day in a few weeks time, there will be millions of people who will have to self-isolate as a result. Everything is opening up when the rate of infection is increasing hugely. Although the vaccination programme has weakened the link between cases and hospitalisation , it has not broken it. Johnson lied to the House about that.From July 19th we are going for herd immunity which is what Johnson wanted from the start  (because it’s the only approach he understands).  People will die and suffer the effects of long Covid for a long time.

Stewart Jones ● 1937d

Simple question Stewart - what is the alternative ?.I was amused reading Jacinta Ardern's comments today about not being willing to risk a "live with covid policy", which is hardly surprising given that only 10.2% of the NZ population have been fully vaccinated and more than 85% of the NZ population haven't had their first jab.I'm no fan on Boris or his government but nor am I am fan of never-ending scaremongering or complete state control about how we live our lives.

Adam Beamish ● 1937d

Isn't the point here the lack of coherence of government policy? On the one hand they clearly do believe that it makes tactical sense to let the virus spread more rapidly over the summer months to try and mitigate problems that will inevitably arise next winter. However they are persisting with the track and trace requirement to self isolate if you are 'pinged'. Not a huge problem if you work in the public sector or another job in which you have generous sick pay but something that creates huge problems for those on low incomes or who are self-employed. We've already seen one example recently of a cafe forced to close in Chiswick because of the system and many more businesses will have to over the summer just as they were hoping to get back on their feet.In the UK at the moment we have the worst level of infections in Europe and one of the least generous arrangements for financial support for those who are self-isolating. I don't think there is any reason to doubt there is a link between these two factors.It would have cost businesses nothing and reduced the spread of the disease if the government retained the requirement to wear facemasks while infection levels were so high.

Jeremy Parkinson ● 1937d

If any nation or country or military of that nation or country had the wherewithal to make and impel and insist and at gunpoint 'do the thing' Israel was it.

Bobbie Carnegie ● 1937d

Keep your masksKeep your distanceKeep sanitizing It's not rocket science

Loraine Pemberton ● 1937d

No one is happy about the state controlling aspects of our lives however the sooner we accept sometimes this becomes necessary the sooner we will get back to a far better place.I have no time for folk that think they are 'special' and the rules/guidance doesn't apply to them.I am very disappointed to read that our neck of the woods is well behind other in having the jab. I don't know the reason  for this  but I sincerely hope it's not because Chiswick folk thinking we are 'special'.We are not.

Adrian Irving ● 1937d

I think all the scientific community stated in the early days of covid that the only way out is vaccinations. The UK has done an incredible job of developing, buying and distributing the vaccines which has clearly broken the link with hospitalisations and deaths, the figures don’t lie. Although cases are rising, hospitalisations are not. What’s the point of the vaccination programme unless it does actually release us all the start living/ working again. For sure variants are a massive concern but we are not going to eradicate covid for many years so we do have to live with it. Personally I will continue to wear a face mask in crowded areas and avoid indoor gathering as much as possible. Only time will tell if this strategy works. Just such a shame it appears there are still significant numbers not having the vaccine in my view utterly mad unless of course there is a medical reason.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1937d

According to a man with a bad haircut speaking in parliament yesterday the link between hospitalisation, deaths and infections is not broken but weakened (by a factor of about 30 times). We haven't seen hospitalisations rise locally probably because we are at the foothills of the renewed climb in positive cases but elsewhere in the country they are starting to rise again. What nobody really knows is what the impact of long covid will be but evidence is growing that a relatively mild initial infection can be followed by long term debilitation.Policy at the moment seems to be that a range of restrictions will remain in place that apply to people who adhere to rules but not to those in government or the non-law abiding section of the population.

Francis Rowe ● 1936d

One hundred international scientists have jointly signed a letter to The Lancet stating that the removal of all restrictions is premature. Everyone knows that there is going to be a huge increase in the rate of infection as a result of the removal of restrictions which will result is avoidable deaths. The government has abdicated all responsibilities by adopting  a herd immunity approach. Would it really be that dreadful if the current restrictions remained in place for another month?

Stewart Jones ● 1936d

The more infections the more variants..

Jackie Elton ● 1936d

Exactly, it's not over yet how do we know if the vaccinations will protect us from all variants, just take care.

Janice Evans ● 1936d

People will die because of the premature easing of restrictions. That is the truth. And no, it’s not over, although I recall Johnson saying that it would all be over by Christmas. He has passed responsibility on to the public so then he can blame them - this is the public that was fighting over toilet rolls last year.

Stewart Jones ● 1936d

Stewart, most of us stick to our own rules regarding Covid and have done from the start, not enough is known yet on variants and there will be new variants the more it spreads but we cannot stay in lockdown forever andthe Government can only advise as instructed by experts don't knowwhat else they can do.

Janice Evans ● 1936d

And regarding loo rolls there was never any shortage, that was cause bypeople in panic and buying in bulk.

Janice Evans ● 1936d

Janice - the government is ignoring the scientific advice .And thank you for confirming that the public will panic even when there is no shortage but apparently it’s over to us to bear responsibility for the future spread of the virus.

Stewart Jones ● 1936d

Adrian Irving ● 1936d

I have read posts on here of people criticising those who have not yet had the jab. I am one of them.For the record, I am NOT anti vax!! I’ve had flu jabs in the past and my sons have both been vaccinated however, there has been much controversy surrounding these jabs and their contents.Those of us who have chosen to not take the jab are well informed individuals and have done months of research looking only at the evidence provided by experts in these fields.I am not taking the jab… I am waiting to see what happens.Reports are coming in, that are not making the news of people now becoming very ill and dying suddenly, without any underlying medical conditions.  This is something that should concern us all.You are free to call the following video ‘misinformation’ and it will probably be ignored by the vast majority on here… that’s your choice.But ‘what if’ these experts are right?Wouldn’t you want to know before we start injecting our children?Informed decisions are paramount during these uncertain times and unless you look at both sides of the equation, you are NOT informed.I’ll leave this here: https://rumble.com/vjgmj9-breaking-discovery-the-actual-contents-inside-pfizer-vials-exposed.html

Jacqueline Lynch ● 1936d

The benefits far outweigh any slight risk that there might be. You can decline the vaccine but then isn’t it fair that you should minimise your contact with people as you are more likely to pass on the virus if you have not been jabbed.You have no evidence at all that the people dying suddenly are dying because they had the vaccine.Presumably, if you are unfortunate enough to contract the virus and need to be hospitalised, you will expect your treatment to be paid for by the NHS who have offered you a free vaccine. Vaccines work.

Stewart Jones ● 1936d

I agree with Stewart, 100’s of millions of jabs have been given and there is a tiny risk as with any vaccine. We need to understand that people get blood clots although rare it happens for no apparent reason without the vaccine. Covid on the other hand is a deadly disease, that’s fact. Vaccines are the only way forward to protect yourself, family, friends and wider community. The option of catching it, spreading it, is there to build up immunity the hard way. The risk of long covid is far greater than having the vaccine. If I didn’t have the vaccine, then caught covid, spread it which resulted in an other persons death then I would be absolutely devastated. That’s not a responsibility I am prepared to carry.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1936d

Agree with Stewart and Jayne, if you became ill and would expect to go to Hospital everyone there is being put at risk which is not fair if others aredoing all they can to protect themselves and others.

Janice Evans ● 1936d

Jacqueline makes a fair point.  I'm double jabbed, my Mrs. has had neither, primarily because she shares the same concerns as Jacqueline.  I'm double jabbed simply because I think it's a necessity to be able to enable me to have a normal life going forward, and because I personally regard the stories about people dying or becoming seriously ill after having a jab the same way I treat people scaremongering about the crowds at Wembley yesterday or such like.As I keep saying to my Mrs., she's going to have to have the vaccine soon because otherwise I'll be taking somebody else skiing this winter.  So I'd be lying if I said that I've had my jabs for any reason other than my own selfish interests, nothing else, and I really don't buy this notion that other people do so out of some deep seating care for the rest of the human race.We've already delayed 'freedom day' by a month and for me it's time to let everyone out to play and what will be will be.  Yes, there will be a minority of inconsiderate idiots, but there always are no matter what (in every walk of life), and the rest of us shouldn't have our lives dictated by the actions of a minority.  If people don't feel safe to go out, or go to work, then well, to be blunt that's just tough - after 15 months of maintaining a business without any government support I'm damned if Joe Bloggs who has been sat at home furloughed for the last year is going to preach to me.Show me one country that has succeeded in dealing with covid, how can anyone credibly sing the praises of New Zealand or Australia when they're locking down big chunks of the population again because of a tiny cluster of cases, all because their vaccination programmes are so poor ?.If infection rates here are surging (and I'm not convinced at this moment in time that we are going to get to anything like 100k new cases) but deaths and hospitalisations are remaining low then that's as good as it can get in the circumstances.  Not it's not ideal, but as I keep saying what is the workable alternative ?.

Adam Beamish ● 1936d

There's a serious lack of uptake of the vaccine within certain London demographics notwithstanding the anti-vax community putting up a front against 'the jab'. Are we allowed to cite 'community' for anti-vaxers? 'Community' is sloshed about readily elsewhere among disparate indiscernible groupings. Anyway, by way of a bribe the mayor of London is offering 50 pairs of free tickets to the Wembley final to those getting their jab by the end of today 8th July. It would be interesting to know how many anti-vaxers already with football coursing in their veins have been unable to resist and have fallen for the bribe. Khan's offer is a lottery, a gamble that even now must be a jab too far for the discerning anti-vaxer if there is such a one, Wembley final or not.

Bobbie Carnegie ● 1936d

Jacqueline says she is not an anti - vaxer but evidently is. The risk with this vaccine are the same as any other vaccine - very, very small and as we are now going for herd immunity the best way to prevent the virus spreading is through vaccination.Whilst people have the right to refuse the vaccine, they do so knowing that they are potentially spreading  the virus and allowing more opportunity for more variants to develop. Also, if they become ill they will want the NHS to look after them although they have refused the preventative (mostly) measure of the vaccine.The notion of ‘freedom day’ seems very odd. Decisions were meant to be driven by data not dates. ATM I can go to the pub, restaurants, cinema etc with some really not too challenging restrictions. To continue these minor restrictions for a month would mean that more people will be vaccinated, fewer people will be hospitalised, develop long-Covid or die.

Stewart Jones ● 1936d

True Stewart, but then again some people would argue that smokers shouldn't expect the NHS to look after them, so it would be completely contrary to everything else if people who had chosen not to vaccinated were declined medical treatment.In a similar vein, where's the 'justice' in someone like me who through hard work has a business that generates over £50k a year and battles their way through covid without any support, whilst there's been millions of employees and the self-employed receiving either furlough money or up to £31k in 'freebies' in SEISS ?.I agree with you about 'freedom day', it's a misnomer and it'll make very little if any difference to my days or nights.  But personally at some point to me one has to say "enough is enough" and, perhaps in a warped way, I can see the logic of doing so at a time when infections are rising, because we'll be able to establish whether there's suddenly an explosion of cases resulting from those further relaxations or not.I would add that 3 weeks ago I was in the Czech Republic for a week (not on holiday - indeed I would have been prevented from flying at the gate had it been for pleasure)_and to some extent there it was a complete free for all in terms of both restrictions imposed and also how people conducted themselves, and yet their infection rates haven't (as yet) shot up again.I still personally think the biggest influence on covid is how people live, I had the 'pleasure' of spending some time last week in Walthamstow and Woolwich town centres undertaking survey work, and suffice to say I'm very happy that I don't live in the built-up part of a big city anymore.

Adam Beamish ● 1936d

Bobbie, having to bribe people to save their life, what is wrong with the world.  I wonder if those taking other stuff..you know ... may be afraid ofthe effects of the vaccine they don't ask you if you are taking anything in the way of drugs before they give you the vaccine.

Janice Evans ● 1936d

A very balanced view Adam that hits all the right notes with me.Throughout this lockdown I have lost everything.My business has been destroyed and now I’m unemployed and finding it incredibly difficult starting again at my time of life.These lockdown are having a detrimental effect on far more people than those who have died from COVID, who have had no previous underlying health conditions.Poverty, mental health and education along with the economy has been crushed and people are suffering dreadfully.I’m having trouble putting food on the table and the bills are piling up.At the moment, I have no life to speak of and it’s soul destroying.I am not alone.The solution has become far more of a curse than the illness itself.FYI, I wrote to West Mid Hospital and under the freedom of information act, I asked how many people, with no underlying health conditions or medical treatment have died from COVID.  There answer was 2.Autopsies came to a halt and almost everybody who died, died of COVID.No matter what their underlying health conditions were… it was all COVID.As for COVID, this disease/illness/virus or whatever you want to call it has never ever been isolated.  We are to believe COVID exists yet it has never been proven.  I’m not saying there is a bad flu going around that has affected many people, that is true, but this country has come to a standstill at times for something not yet proven or isolated.Can somebody please post evidence on here that COVID has actually been isolated and proven… that will shut me up!Finally, there is a 99.7% recovery rate.  My own immune system offers more immunity than any vaccine on the market.If I do become unwell I would more than likely go to bed and try and recover, I would certainly not be out amongst people shopping or otherwise. I wouldn’t go out if I had the flu, I’d isolate as much as I could, as that is what the vast majority of us have always done during the flu season.Why can’t we be trusted to do the same?  Why must I be told by this nanny state what I can and cannot do?What happened to common sense?We are going into another lockdown, it’s inevitable, flu season will be upon us in a couple of months but lockdown could be as soon as august.How many more lives have to be destroyed?How much longer can I survive?I feel we really do need to start looking at the bigger picture here.

Jacqueline Lynch ● 1936d

Sorry Jacqueline but simply because you have had a difficult time under lockdown (we all have to some extent) is not a reason to refuse the vaccine. The fact is that the greater the number of people, the greater the chance of keeping it under control. And to be honest there is little point in carrying on a discussion about Covid-19 when you don’t actually believe it exists.

Stewart Jones ● 1936d

You're wasting your time with these fools, Jacqueline, and sorry to hear that the NWO have hit you hard.The vaccinated (the unclean) are in for a tough winter.

Michael Brown ● 1936d

We’re all in for a tougher winter than might be necessary because of foolish and reckless behaviour of people who won’t get vaccinated and a government that has adopted herd immunity.

Stewart Jones ● 1935d

For those who have no medical issue with covid vaccination but refused to get vaccinated, they will not get my sympathy should they get very ill and died. All I can say is you have made the wrong choice mate - you chose the virus instead of vaccine.

Anthony Tan ● 1935d

UK Government's own stats now say 1.3k UK citizens now dead and 1m injured from State sponsored lethal injection.

Michael Brown ● 1935d

I am very surprised you have not blamed Brexit yet?

Paul Fisher ● 1935d

Can you point us to the source of those statistics, Michael?

Richard Greenhough ● 1935d

Jacqueline, you moan about Lockdown but the only way out of it is to be vaccinated, don't think you realise just how deadly Covid is if you think you can go to bed and recover think you would suffocate without help.

Janice Evans ● 1935d

Jacqueline, I find your rationale astonishing you are happy to have the flu vaccine but not the covid vaccine hummmm, please reconsider the world community of scientists and medical researchers have more then proven this coronavirus. Please reconsider for your family and hope you get back up on your business feet soon. Wishing you the best and pray you have the covid vaccine just like the flu vaccine little difference other than it could save your life, stop you spreading it and risking others.

Jayne Thorburn ● 1935d

He is wrong and has completely and deliberately ignored the facts.

Stewart Jones ● 1935d

Netherlands, Portugal, France  all alarmed at daily increases nowhere near ours but locking down again in some cases. Us, well looks like masks will no longer be necessary, amid talk of a 13 million waiting list!

Nicholas Beard ● 1933d

Has anyone posted the hospitalisation figures during this “huge rise in cases”

Janice Jones ● 1933d

Here’s some NHS data https://data.spectator.co.uk/city/nhs

Russell Pearson ● 1933d

Thousands of GP’s, scientists and NHS staff are asking questions and as a result are being silenced.  However, they are fighting back.I’m going to leave this here.https://www.covid19assembly.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Letter-to-Sir-Simon-Stevens.pdf

Jacqueline Lynch ● 1933d

I couldn't have put it better myself, Jacqueline - a comprehensive demolition of the scam. It even refers to the 1300 killed by the vaccine that Brigadier Gintrough was questioning.

Michael Brown ● 1933d

There is no causal link between the deaths and the vaccine.https://fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

Stewart Jones ● 1933d

The Labour opposition has been completely useless throughout Covid. Any future review which holds Johnson and the Tories to account must also include the Labour Party and Starmer as equally culpable 'after the fact'.

Bobbie Carnegie ● 1933d

Well said Bobbie. Complicit in all this and too busy trying to expel members than fighting the Tories.

Basil Finnis ● 1933d

This is very true  but people do not think this deeply.

Nicholas Beard ● 1932d

Complicit in what exactly? Isn’t that why we need an enquiry ?

Stewart Jones ● 1932d

Complicit in what exactly? Isn’t that why we need an enquiry ?  To look at the role every sector has played and how we learn to improve. For some people it’s about apportioning blame and with a very high death rate I can see why that needs to be acknowledged. Let’s start the enquiry now - the government has adopted herd immunity as its approach - we know what will happen .  No point in waiting.

Stewart Jones ● 1932d

"I couldn't have put it better myself.."Except that you didn't, McBean.

Richard Greenhough ● 1932d

Dr. Michael Yeadon exposes why governments lied about Covid. Explosive. Damning. Blocked by Chrome/Google so you'll need to use an alternative browser/search engine.https://rumble.com/vhy4vl-episode-993-the-clever-lies-of-covid-19dr.-michael-yeadon-exposes-why-gover.html

Michael Brown ● 1930d

If you are bothered to read Michael's link read this afterwards:https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-health-coronavirus-idUSL2N2N72CS

Jeremy Parkinson ● 1930d

What do you have to say to the article cited by Jeremy Parkinson? You know, the one which concluded - with clear evidence - as follows:"VERDICTFalse. Infected but symptom-free people can spread the coronavirus; vaccinated people are better protected but not 100% immune; research shows COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective for adults and pregnant women."Or are you going to do what you always do when someone tears the backside out of your latest baseless post and simply run away*?* - Or do I mean "self-isolate"?

Richard Cathcart ● 1930d

Of course they say that Dr. Yeadon’s claims are false, you fool; and no comment from you or Parky about Dr. Fauci, who has been found to be funding Gain Of Function (weaponising animal viruses by modifying them so they jump to humans) experiments at the lab in Wuhan, China of all places, despite him denying it for so long.

Michael Brown ● 1930d

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Michael Brown ● 1930d

The Trojan Horse Pandemic

Michael Brown ● 1930d

MB: "Of course they say that Dr. Yeadon’s claims are false"RC: What the hell else do you say when someone makes false claims?I mean, you said on this very forum last year that Covid was a "hoax" i.e. doesn't even exist.Was that claim true or false, eh?MB: "No comment from you or Parky about Dr. Fauci, who has been found to be funding Gain Of Function...    ... experiments at the lab in Wuhan, China of all places"RC: So you're taking your cue from Sen.Rand Paul and Tucker Carlson now? Yeah, very credible that pair.Maybe you might like to read this Fact Check, which shows that they have no actual evidence to back their claims, claims which Dr. Fauci continues to deny btw:https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/the-wuhan-lab-and-the-gain-of-function-disagreement/

Richard Cathcart ● 1930d

Just listen to the liar, Fauci; lies since confirmed by his emails.

Michael Brown ● 1930d

MB: "Just listen to the liar".RC: In that video, Paul opened by saying that to date, "3 million people have died of Covid".Yet you told us on this very forum that Covid didn't even exist, or later, that if it did exist, it wasn't killing people.So which of you was telling the truth and which of you was lying?

Richard Cathcart ● 1930d

Desperate change of subject; plus Covid doesn't exist as per the scientific requirements for proof of existence, it doesn't exist in many PCR tests where claimed to exist, it doesn't exist in the vast majority of locked up and masked up healthy people, and it doesn't exist as described by governments and mainstream media. Fraud, fraud and more fraud, as Cathy knows.

Michael Brown ● 1929d

Just get vaccinated. Have you seen the infection numbers today?  The government is  contradicting itself every day and is going for herd immunity. People will die as a consequence  but  we know that vaccination is  the best way to protect yourself and others.

Stewart Jones ● 1928d

BBC News - Covid: Be cautious as England lockdown ends, urges Whittyhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57858864Take care everyone, prevention is better than cure.

Loraine Pemberton ● 1928d

Govt vaccination target expected to be missed by 15% on Monday. :(Threat to the world of England's covid experiment.

Philippa Bond ● 1928d

"Fraud, fraud and more fraud"Isn't that the whole basis of your news service ?

Richard Greenhough ● 1928d

COVID anxiety is at an all time high, especially on this forum.Catastrophic and irrational thinking play a common role in the development and severity of anxiety. It is not uncommon for a person with anxiety to begin overestimating a threat or event, worried that something bad is about to happen. Often that type of thinking goes hand in hand with a feeling as though the event occurring would be the “end of the world” - believing that they will be unable to cope with it if it does occur.This combination can sometimes be summed up as irrational thoughts, where logic is overruled by the belief that something unlikely or impossible will happen. For some, the irrational thoughts are what causes anxiety in the first place. For others, their anxiety seems to lead to the development of irrational thoughts. Many have a combination of both.This is COVID Anxiety.

Jacqueline Lynch ● 1928d

Em, me thinks it's already happen.

Janice Evans ● 1928d

People not taking the vaccine are evidently anxious and being totally irrational in their refusal to take it and endangering the lives of their family, friends and the wider community, so you have a point. They think the world will end for them via a jab.People are also anxious because of the lack of  consistency from the government and that we know that more people are going to die as a result of the lifting of restrictions on Monday.If you’re not anxious (to a greater or lesser extent) then you’re wilfully denying facts and ignoring the deaths of 160,000 people.

Stewart Jones ● 1927d