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Cllr Hearn says that in 2010 councillors agreed to cut allowances by 10% in solidarity with residents coping with the impact of the recession. In fact the cut was moved by the then Labour leader, Cllr Jagdish Sharma, and with the unanimous support of Labour colleagues to protest the 2007 hike in allowances pushed through by Cllr Hearn's Conservative administration which Labour had steadfastly opposed.Our proposal cut the basic allowance for all councillors by 5% and the special responsibility allowances paid to the leader and cabinet by 20% - it gave modest recompense to all, ensuring that no becoming a councillor would be unduly out of pocket.Cllr Sharma rightly argued that councillors should be motivated by a sense of civic responsibility and we were determined to demonstrate that a Labour council would be. The Conservatives in contrast moved two amendments in objection to our proposal and then had a free vote on the final decision whether to accept it - they did not support it and showed no greater solidarity with residents in the midst of that recession than they have at any time since.Since then, the basic allowance received by all councillors was increased slightly in 2018 and the current proposal seeks to bring special responsibility allowances more in to line with the norm in London. It’s no secret that I and many of my colleagues have opposed this increase. We recognise that a case can be made for allowances being on a par with others across London but we felt that this was neither the time nor our priority to pursue it.However, there are no blood suckers on this council and while there are grounds for reasoned disagreement and principle there has been no evidence, in at least the last 14 years, that you will find any of that with the Tories.

Theo Dennison ● 2072d

At last night's 'Budget Question Time' the Leader of the council said that now was the right time for the council to be making this decision since it would "clear the decks for the incoming administration in 2022".I take a contrary view. Whilst agreeing that Hounslow's councillors should receive similar remuneration to that of councillors in other boroughs, I do not agree that the timing is right.This is not a decision to be made at the fag end of a four year administration but precisely the kind of decision that an incoming administration should grapple with when nailing its colours to the mast.Surely, the manifestos for the 2022 local election should contain the different parties's proposals for what councillors' special responsibility allowances should be.If the current council leader believes that his proposals are sensible and can be justified then he should be prepared to campaign on the issue in the election campaign.The fact that Labour are apparently whipping their councillors on this vote (when they have a whopping majority) indicates just how disunited the group is and how weak the Leader's case for bringing this proposal forward at this time is.  The Conservative Group, both in and and out of office, seldom whips its councillors. We take the view that our councillors are grown-ups and we value and cherish a diversity of opinions. As General George Patton said "If everyone in the room is in agreement at least one person has stopped thinking for themselves"

Cllr Sam Hearn ● 2069d

You won't know this David because you don't know me, but most people who know me well will say that I'm very self-deprecating, and I take the mick out of myself more than I should.However, unlike probably every poster on here, I've attended hundreds of local authority committee meetings all over the country over the last 23 years, be it as a Council Officer (including 5 years at Hounslow when it had Area Planning Committees who made planning decisions), a member of the public or a planning consultant.  So I know only too well what meetings are like and how attendees can conduct themselves at such meetings, and I could tell many, many stories.I've explained, quite truthfully, that I looked at the link that Councillor Hearn provided and skimmed through the meeting.  And much of what I saw and heard was the usual fare and bluster.  I read the front page article and of course it isn't clear from the video what was written in the chat log, so none of us can express a view or pass judgement on that.When you've spent over 20 years attending Council meetings, perhaps you're somewhat 'immune' to some of what I can only describe as antics, the pathetic point scoring and so forth.  Equally, as I've said previously, I appreciate the very difficult line which Councillors have to walk between their responsibility to their electorate and their responsibility to undertake their duties in accordance with statutory legislation and so forth (I certainly couldn't and wouldn't do it).I've explained to you that I know nothing about Cllr. Mushiso before watching some of the video.  But from the parts of the video I've seen he is the one Member who really stands out, and I don't mean in terms of what he says, but his demeanour and expressions, it's like a cross between an infant and a football yob.  The disrespectful hand gestures, waving his papers around, finger jabbing the screen, posting clapping emojis and then raising his hands to the air as though his football team have just scored a goal when a fellow Conservative Councillor speaks.It is a performance like nothing I have ever witnessed, either in the flesh or in 'virtual' committee meetings, in 23 years, which is the only reason why it caught my attention.  Now if you don't believe that and you are saying that I'm a liar then what can I do other than to state otherwise ?.You have an anti-LBH agenda.  That's obvious from many of your posts on here and from your penultimate paragraph.  Many other posters on here have the same agenda.  Fair enough, each to their own.I don't have any such agenda so I'm not blinkered, selective or anything else.  I've never once suggested that there's only one person out of line in this case, and right from the outset I said that 2 (or more) wrongs don't make a right.Clearly this is where we disagree because what you're basically advocating is that if you can't beat them, then join them.  And I just can't go along with that.And that's the hypocrisy that is so prevalent on this forum.  Posters are so quick to post about something as 'trivial' as another poster half jokingly suggesting a celebrity is drunk or on drugs, or outraged about a bloke sat on a dead horse.  But their elected Councillor behaves like a cross between a toddler and a football yob in a Council meeting and that's fair game is it because others are just as bad ?

Adam Beamish ● 2063d

"But your bread is buttered on that side. I get it. You think the council is above reproach and accountability."And your evidence/basis to support any of that twaddle is ?.  Some kind of insinuation that LBH do me favours ? - I haven't worked there for 15 years, during my time in the public sector I worked for 4 other local authorities and the only dialogue I've had with any LBH Members in the last 4 years is 1 telephone call from Cllr. Todd (discussing a planning issue which a constituent had raised with him after she'd contacted me) and 1 email from Cllr. Lambert (about service charges at the respective developments where we lived).  So no David, I don't get any favours, preferential treatment or anyone else from LBH (or indeed any other authority), and nor would I wish to, and over the last 4 years I can count on 1 hand the number of projects I've been involved in within the Borough.You say I think the Council is above reproach and accountability, yet you're the one coming to the defence of the conduct of a Member of the Council, not me.You're the one who is justifying the actions of one individual by saying that others are just as bad if not worse (something I've not disputed). And it just so happens that that individual is, both individually and in terms of his political colour, playing for your side, so for both of those reasons that makes his conduct acceptable/necessary/whatever you want to call it in your eyes.  Some people will agree with that, I don't.  You might say "needs must", I don't see how doing hand gestures implying another Councillor is mentally ill during a business meeting achieves anything other than ruining your own credibility and stature.Go on any local forums or community websites and you'll see a 'hard core' clique of contributors telling everyone that their local authority is the worst and how the grass is always greener in another authority.  But as someone who spends every single working day engaging with local authorities all over the country, attending committee meetings and so forth, I get to see every team in action as it were, so I have a more balanced and rounded perspective.I'll call LBH and any other authority out when I think criticism is due, and conversely when (as it often is on forums like this) that criticism is founded in a fundamental misunderstanding of what an authority can and can't do, then I'll defend that authority.  Overall I don't think local authorities provide a good service, which in part I accept is resource driven, but also I don't think authorities help themselves and carry far too much 'deadwood' who wouldn't last a week in the private sector.  Equally I sometimes encounter some employees of local authorities who I think are exceptional.But what any of that has got to do with whether it's acceptable for a Councillor to repeatedly gesture that another is mentally ill during a business meeting is beyond me.

Adam Beamish ● 2062d

Geez, why do these threads get so silly ?.I pointed out from the very outset that others behave inappropriately too but that 2 (or more) wrongs don't make a right.  Despite that you've took me to task about 'singling' out an individual, and mooted several notions about the motivations behind my contributions, all of which I've dismissed because they are total nonsense - i.e. I've never had any personal or professional dealings with that particular Councillor, I know nothing about him, I don't live in the Borough anymore, I don't vote and so forth.Yet you're still persisting.  Why can't you just take me at my word when I say that I skimmed through the video of the meeting, and, putting to one side all the usual hot air, pontificating and such like from several Members I was struck by how one Councillor conducted himself on camera ?.  And as I've said, I was struck by his generally 'animated' physical performance because, unlike many people on here, I've sat through hundreds of committee meetings so to some extent I am 'immune' to much of the pantomime that goes on.And yes, I thought that conduct was unprofessional and wholly inappropriate, and, just like Adrian comments on Cllr. Lambert's blog, if you or I were employed by a company and conducted ourselves like that during a company meeting then we'd be up on a disciplinary and/or sacked for gross misconduct.What disappoints me, but perhaps doesn't surprise me, is that no-one else on the forum has said the same about Cllr. Mushiso's actions and that the front page article, whilst reporting about other parts of the meeting and focusing upon allegations of bullying, inappropriate behaviour and such like, didn't make any reference to those actions.And yes, I do think the company that runs this website is biased in its reporting in so far as that many of the articles on it are not particularly 'neutral' and are written to go down well with the readership (putting to one side how often the articles are factually inaccurate).  I guess that applies to some extent to every media output, but to me they should be more 'neutral' or comprehensive in their coverage - which would include, in its report on this meeting, a reference to how the 'fractious' meeting including one Councillor implying that another was mentally ill.I'm saying that the conduct of many Councillors, both during that meeting and in general, is inappropriate and acceptable, and that one doesn't excuse the other.  Surely we all agree on that ?.That's all I'm saying David, so stop digging deeper for something that doesn't exist.  And don't bring up the hoarding issue and try to insult me - as I said earlier in this thread, often the public, quite understandably, do not understand the fineries and nuances of legislation and want the authority (be it Hounslow or anywhere else) to act on the basis of what to them is common sense.  But common sense often cannot take precedence upon the relevant legislative process/considerations.  The hoarding was one such example.  I don't know the fineries of running a cafe David, and you don't know much about the fineries of planning legislation David.

Adam Beamish ● 2060d