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Back it up, Steve. These are not selfish morons. They are anything but. What they are are traders who produce and sell to make a living and provide jobs. As for the market organization itself, Kathleen has proven time and time again without her there would be no Dukes Meadow as we know and enjoy it. She is a local hero. Nothing less.To Maggie - your harping on about tasting is irrelevant. Even if there were tasting, it is not forced upon you which is the only plausible explanation for what you perceive as a personal threat.As for delivery of far-flung produce from a variety of vendors - no easy task. And why should any of those involved have to incur this added expense and hassle given they are all operating within the current restraints as they exist? Why should they be punished for operating legitimately? Small producers just can't flick switches and go online. To do so takes a significant amount of time and investment to build that infrastructure.I respond to this from the perspective of someone laying into us as being a "death trap." So I try to take a deep breath and weigh responding. Are we? Is anyone else? Or is it hyperbole used to vent frustrations and anger and fear albeit aimed in the wrong direction? I see the same thing at play here. All of us are doing our level-headed best to survive as intact as possible. There are days when it seems a fool's errand. But this is also about one's personal comfort level or lack thereof. No one is making you go out. No one is making you taste things. If these situations make you uncomfortable you have the choice to stay in and order online. But do consider this: all that online ordering will do nothing to support your local economy and the lives of those traders whom you've come to know and love. Or in my case, hate. If you can't find it in yourselves to support them, then so be it.I tip my hat to them.

David Lesniak ● 2118d

Some on here are obviously covid-spooked far more than others..In the 1940 blitz, my dad was petrified, stayed in and ran to the air-raid shelter the moment the siren began.Whereas my mum, who was to and fro from the Sanderson factory making fabric covers for Spitfire fighter planes, wandered happily around the streets as if she hadn't a care in the world.  It takes all sorts.  But then the difference between covid and the Luftwaffe is that bomb victims obviously weren't infectious.  But there is here a public “mood” parallel.The sub-title heading “mass gatherings” on this thread is a lot of a gross exaggeration don't you think.  And the racket about what food IS and what food is NOT essential isn't really worth going into eh?  All food is essential, whether it's sausage and chips or caviar with pickled onions.  Depends what you're used to; what your tastes are; how much money you can afford.But this is Chiswick, where there's bags of time to argue the toss about masks and tiny outdoor markets politely selling high-end produce to a grateful few.  Chiswick - a land where the fridges are full, the contented pussies purr on the sofa and the central heating is at full blast..  Where many get their supermarket 'essentials' weekly at their own front door.  And many more get to brave the indoors of a posh suburban supermarket without being accused on a daft local forum of needlessly spreading disease.So imagine what it's like to live on a Wythenshawe housing estate.  Or any of the millions of England's sad streets/lousy block of flats in grimy, dimly lit, run-down towns still overlooked by an old coal mine - where virtually nobody's got a job, nobody's got the rent money, most of the kids are going hungry and the parents are either out doing crime or ringing their hands in anguish as to where the next mouthful is coming from...  Do you think the food banks aren't teeming with customers?  Do you picture orderly queues of the desperate, politely waiting their turn?  Or do you see starving people, with no money to buy even a mask, crushed together to grab their own 'essential' free pasta well past its sell-by date..Only him upstairs will ever know but I doubt anyone wearing a mask has ever or will ever catch covid at a small outdoor W4 food market.  Some need to seek a far wider perspective.Yes, this new mutation of covid may well spread even wider.  The NHS may well be overwhelmed.  Thousands more may die – and the government may well decide to tighten restrictions even further.Until then, the majority have got the message.  And it's so easy when out for a walk to navigate a path yards away from the few who are complacent..This isn't the time for yet more forum clickbait scaremonger anecdotes about how close you came to being covid-murdered by some idiot jogger or carefree teenager. All that rhetoric boiled over yonks ago.This is hold tight and wait see time...PS:- should have said earlier - I agree with what David's been saying

Stuart Kerr ● 2116d

So Micki, to bring it around back to the original subject, just because you can earn revenue at a farmers market doesn't mean you should? Keep in mind that revenue for some traders is the only source of cash they have.I'll put Gigi down for a dodge as she didn't answer the question if she's upset about traders obeying the rules.But I found these bits of interest:A newly formed All-Party Parliamentary Group has launched an urgent inquiry into the devastating impact of COVID on the night time economy (in part pubs, restaurants, food service, supply chains, etc.)"Jeff Smith MP, Chair of the APPG for the Night Time Economy said, “As we move now into a third national lockdown, there has never been a more important time for Government to address the urgent needs of Night Time Economy businesses, their supply chains and those that rely on them for employment.“Despite playing such a vital role in our local communities and UK economy, nightlife businesses have been repeatedly overlooked by the Government, and we are determined to ensure that the specific challenges facing the sector are addressed. This inquiry will be a vital first step in our work.”Michael Kill, CEO of the Night Time Industries Association added, “Since March, we have seen the night-time sector berated, scapegoated and even blamed for rising infections. Our sector has slipped through the cracks of insufficient support packages and borne the brunt of ever-changing and inconsistent restrictions."The last paragraph is most pertinent to this discussion.

David Lesniak ● 2115d

Steve, I think what you are claiming is now verging on libel. The traders who sell at the market are small farms and producers, they sell groceries; bread, vegetables, fruit, fruit juice, meat, pasta, milk, butter, cheese, cakes. We also have some items that might not be considered by some essential; beer, olive oil, olives, tapenade, but these are things that people may wish to eat and can buy in a supermarket. Plus some take away food; salt beef sandwiches, beef burgers, sushi, mexican.As I already said, with employing marshals and buying barriers and cones and keeping stocks of hand sanitiser, disposable cloths and sanitising spray, the market is not making a lot of money for the Trust and is taking a great deal more time to manage. It is, however, along with other food markets, the sole income of most of our farmers and small businesses. If you are deprived of your sole income, you are in a vulnerable and perilous situation. You cannot pay your bills, you may lose your business. The market and traders are operating within the law. We have more measures in place than a lot of food shops and supermarkets. We have a marshal at the entrance controlling numbers and making sure people wear a mask or we have a stock of masks and sell them one, if they haven't. I haven't seen that happening at any shop. We have another marshal, plus the market manager to remind people not to gather and ask them to socially distance. I don't know how many shops are doing that. A our stall holders have to wear a mask. The market is in the open air, which reduces transmission risk.We initially closed the public toilet, but following government advice that having public toilets closed was creating health and equalities issues and encouraging council's and others to re open them, we did and have a cleaning regime, signage, hand gel, sanitising spray and disposable cloths to reduce transmission risk. As part of managing COVID risk I monitor the changes in advice and checked again last week if the advice was still t keep public toilets pen. It is, so we are.The Environmental Team visit almost every week. They give us good feedback and have not asked us to change anything since we first engaged with them and took on board their advice at the start of the crisis.The market is the only place to buy fresh food south of the A316 and one of only a few places south of the A4. The others are the Co op opposite Chiswick Station and some small convenience stores. There is not sufficient capacity for every household in the country to to receive a regular grocery delivery. People want to be able to eat fresh food.I realise that this post will have no impact on you, but am posting to correct some damaging and misleading statements you have made.

Kathleen Healy ● 2114d

Steve, I think what you are claiming is now verging on libel. The traders who sell at the market are small farms and producers, they sell groceries; bread, vegetables, fruit, fruit juice, meat, pasta, milk, butter, cheese, cakes. We also have some items that might not be considered by some essential; beer, olive oil, olives, tapenade, but these are things that people may wish to eat and can buy in a supermarket. Plus some take away food; salt beef sandwiches, beef burgers, sushi, mexican.As I already said, with employing marshals and buying barriers and cones and keeping stocks of hand sanitiser, disposable cloths and sanitising spray, the market is not making a lot of money for the Trust and is taking a great deal more time to manage. It is, however, along with other food markets, the sole income of most of our farmers and small businesses. If you are deprived of your sole income, you are in a vulnerable and perilous situation. You cannot pay your bills, you may lose your business. The market and traders are operating within the law. We have more measures in place than a lot of food shops and supermarkets. We have a marshal at the entrance controlling numbers and making sure people wear a mask or we have a stock of masks and sell them one, if they haven't. I haven't seen that happening at any shop. We have another marshal, plus the market manager to remind people not to gather and ask them to socially distance. I don't know how many shops are doing that. A our stall holders have to wear a mask. The market is in the open air, which reduces transmission risk.We initially closed the public toilet, but following government advice that having public toilets closed was creating health and equalities issues and encouraging council's and others to re open them, we did and have a cleaning regime, signage, hand gel, sanitising spray and disposable cloths to reduce transmission risk. As part of managing COVID risk I monitor the changes in advice and checked again last week if the advice was still t keep public toilets pen. It is, so we are.The Environmental Team visit almost every week. They give us good feedback and have not asked us to change anything since we first engaged with them and took on board their advice at the start of the crisis.The market is the only place to buy fresh food south of the A316 and one of only a few places south of the A4. The others are the Co op opposite Chiswick Station and some small convenience stores. There is not sufficient capacity for every household in the country to to receive a regular grocery delivery. People want to be able to eat fresh food.I realise that this post will have no impact on you, but am posting to correct some damaging and misleading statements you have made.

Kathleen Healy ● 2114d

Steve, I think what you are claiming is now verging on libel. The traders who sell at the market are small farms and producers, they sell groceries; bread, vegetables, fruit, fruit juice, meat, pasta, milk, butter, cheese, cakes. We also have some items that might not be considered by some essential; beer, olive oil, olives, tapenade, but these are things that people may wish to eat and can buy in a supermarket. Plus some take away food; salt beef sandwiches, beef burgers, sushi, mexican.As I already said, with employing marshals and buying barriers and cones and keeping stocks of hand sanitiser, disposable cloths and sanitising spray, the market is not making a lot of money for the Trust and is taking a great deal more time to manage. It is, however, along with other food markets, the sole income of most of our farmers and small businesses. If you are deprived of your sole income, you are in a vulnerable and perilous situation. You cannot pay your bills, you may lose your business. The market and traders are operating within the law. We have more measures in place than a lot of food shops and supermarkets. We have a marshal at the entrance controlling numbers and making sure people wear a mask or we have a stock of masks and sell them one, if they haven't. I haven't seen that happening at any shop. We have another marshal, plus the market manager to remind people not to gather and ask them to socially distance. I don't know how many shops are doing that. A our stall holders have to wear a mask. The market is in the open air, which reduces transmission risk.We initially closed the public toilet, but following government advice that having public toilets closed was creating health and equalities issues and encouraging council's and others to re open them, we did and have a cleaning regime, signage, hand gel, sanitising spray and disposable cloths to reduce transmission risk.As part of managing COVID risk I monitor the changes in advice and checked again last week if the advice was still t keep public toilets pen. It is, so we are.The Environmental Team visit almost every week. They give us good feedback and have not asked us to change anything since we first engaged with them and took on board their advice at the start of the crisis.The market is the only place to buy fresh food south of the A316 and one of only a few places south of the A4. The others are the Co op opposite Chiswick Station and some small convenience stores. There is not sufficient capacity for every household in the country to to receive a regular grocery delivery. People want to be able to eat fresh food.I realise that this post will have no impact on you, but am posting to correct some incorrect, misleading and damaging statements you have made.

Kathleen Healy ● 2114d