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Dear councillors, in taking the fight to Hounslow I would suggest a clear distinction in the nature of schemes. The various GP schemes meet the idea of a LTN, with broad support for the goals if not the details of implementation. Some tweaks and better use of an area wide database would solve this, while reducing through traffic. One problem, that none of Cllr Lambert et al and the lobbyists can address, is the impact of diverting even more traffic onto already busy roads with more pollution, in this case SCR and Burlington Lane. The issue of winners and losers has to be considered.In contrast, closing TGT is not an LTN or any coherent plan. It removes a key local connecting route and obliges traffic (trade, commercial, private hire plus private users) to undertake a mile long diversion. Other LTNs across London are in areas with denser road networks, where diversions may be a couple of streets across. Similarly, DR closure does not form an LTN. It seems to have created a pretty desolate road devoid of life and visitors.Hounslow do not really seem to care as many of the problems are forced onto Ealing residents and streets, or at the east end of the High Road into H&F. The west end of the High road and roads around there suffer hugely, but they seem to see this as a price worth paying for burnishing their pro cycling credentials. It is not. With the new developments around Chiswick roundabout, plus the new stadium, the west Chiswick will become a car park. Then we have Hounslow inviting thousands of cars to park in Chiswick for every match. The rank hypocrisy.

Paul Green ● 2174d

I agree with the comment about the Tfl chap. He seemed to have taken a leaf out of the Trump "double down on the lies" playbook.But our local councillors were just as bad. They might have said what a lot of people feel but that is not going to achieve anything. The mutual contempt may make some people feel good - but it's not going to get a solution for Chiswick and might make it even worse. Grandstanding and diatribe was what was on offer.John Todd tried valiantly to keep the meeting on track (from both sides) but our councillors didn't ask any of the 100+ questions that we asked - just used their own to set up tedious speeches and make political points.ie "here's a question from a resident: what would the Tories do if they were in power?" cue long speech on why the Tories are better than Labour.I do feel that the tactics employed by the anti group led by our local councillors has played directly into TfL's hands.The "not an inch of pavement" position has meant the C9 has been put entirely on CHR. Eliminating a bus lane, narrowing the road lanes and causing the jams. Any reasonable person would support the use of some of the excess pavements to save the bus lane and road width.They are now leading the judicial challenge (which will fail) which means TfL can duck any scrutiny until that's over and it's too late to mount a constructive solution based campaign.CHR needs a cycle lane(s) as do many roads in the area. It would be nice to see our councillors accept that and work to find a better solution rather than playing to the mob.

Richard Potts ● 2166d

Michael For once I would be in agreement with Cllr Biddolph (if she actually said that) - cycle lanes along both sides of CHR. They would be safer and better for the community. If they were implemented properly....(Personal experience in central London is at busy times I feel safer on the road than risking head-ons with other cyclists. I also hate crossing them as a pedestrian.)And who cares about the minority of people fundamentally opposed to C9 who might go even more "mental"? You should really care about the majority of people who agree with the need for it but can't stomach chaos caused by the current design and get them on side.I agree with you 100% that white lines are not a proper segregation and you need a kerb (pref) and a wide enough lane so that you don't end up in the kerb.The benefits of single way lanes are clear...- easier & safer for pedestrians to cross- more practical for cyclists (you won't catch many going East on C9 to shop at M&S)- Safer for cyclists when cars turn across the cycle way (drivers only have to look 1 way)- bus islands  on both sides are not such a obstacle and they would be more connected with the shops & pavement than stranded between 2 roads as they are now.- CHR is a shopping street - single way is much more in keeping with the look and feel- it would be easier to accommodate using pavements than bidirectional- we could keep the bus lane (s)It would require compromise which I haven't seen much evidence of. For instance..Why is the still any parking along CHR? Waterstones to TGT; HRH to Honest Burger; etc. Remove it.Why haven't the mostly unused pavement sections btwn Metro bank & Police Stn been utilised?A single-lane cycle way could be fitted on a lot of the wide pavements eg west between church&Turnham Green; east between Tesco and TGT Consultation so far has been - "this is what we're going to do - now you can object or support" which has created this hideous divide dominated by luddites and zealots. Wouldn't it be better to have a range of ideas and ask people to input/comment on them and then to choose the best one? That might actually get buy-in and support from the community?The antis would be in the minority.Oh & btw I live in Grove Park and would ALSO like a better cycle route between here and Hammersmith. ATM I alternate between river (too many people & Dove) and A4 (not consistent enough). But this is not an alternative to C9.

Richard Potts ● 2166d

MichaelYou have a great art for ignoring the question that was asked and inventing one that suits you better. Is that the art of politics?I think people would support single way. After all, what we effectively have now is a super wide Westbound single way lane.  Cutting the width to create an Eastbound one would please many/majority of people. There is a carrot and stick to get people cycling but it seems Tfl prefer the one that causes maximum disruption to traffic with improved cycling as a secondary thought.Take the example you brought up. Getting over A4 is not nice using SCR. But it is not the right place to put a cycle lane. The Best solution would be a dedicated underpass or improving the route from the Park Road LTN (wasn't that why they closed Staveley?) to Dukes Ave and/or improving underpass or creating something clever at Hogarth.Focussing on SCR, targeting parking there etc is just another "how can we make it more difficult for car". Sorry, I need to get out of GP by car and SCR is my access to the M4. Putting a cycle lane there when there are alternatives would be perverse.You also worry me by your comment on "closing off the access to SCR from Barrowgate Rd on the E and W" I feel that you are better informed than most here and I take that seriously. Are you saying that when I'm coming from the M4 I would no longer be able to come off at the Porsche Garage to get into GPk? What have the people of GP done to be targeted so? We cant get in, we cant get out. What is it??I did ask about improving the A4 route to Hammersmith. You ignored that. Maybe there is not a enough negative impact on cars for you to be interested? But this is the quickest way to cycle to Hammersmith from GP. During lockdown I have used the A4 but I'd rather do it on a safe path. Improving that does not negate C9.

Richard Potts ● 2165d

Richard,You have a lot of speculation about what you think people would prefer.  Its easy to say that a particular design is best for cyclists, the tough thing is balancing this with the impact it has on everything else.  Policy at all level of government means that it is acceptable to reallocate space for cycling but that still isn't carte blanche to do anything. The reality is that TfL/Hounslow believed that a cycle lane on both sides would cause too much disruption to existing traffic.You are mistaken if you think the current design on one side of the road causes. "maximum disruption to traffic".  No it wouldn't, the maximum disruption to traffic would be caused by doing this on both sides of the road.It is fine to have opinions about the best location to cross the A4 but SCR was clearly the preferred option in the consultation last year.  There needs to be a surface crossing somewhere as gradients and chicanes on underpasses aren't practical for a cargo bike with kids in the front.  Constructing a new underpass would cost millions and that money isn't available.Closing off Sutton Lane N would mean access to GP by coming off at Chiswick roundabout or heading down to Hogarth roundabout and going around and back.  Residents in Barrowgate Rd would certainly welcome it.  Traffic trying to join the queue at SCR from both E and W does cause disruption here. If you wanted a proper cycle lane along the A4, that would mean closing off Sutton Lane N as well, plus Dukes Avenue and Rivercourt and Weltje in W6.  There would need to be cycle specific lights at SCR reducing time available for N-S crossing and I haven't a clue how to get past Hogarth roundabout/Chiswick Lane.  That assumes that cycling is improved on the N side of the A4.  Or should it be the S side? Or both?I support improved cycling infrastructure anywhere but there is finite money available and so many more people use CHR compared to the A4 that it is a no brainer that CHR was the preferred route.

Michael Robinson ● 2165d