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Bloody Fireworks

Sadly government petition earlier this week to confine them to public displays was defeated.  So bolting, terrified animals are killed (many accounts on Facebook) and domestic animals petrified, all for the sake of some stupid people who get  their kicks from loud bangs.  So sad.  Like a warzone here in North Chiswick, one dog barking his head off and extremely stressed, one cat pacing, another hiding and all refusing to eat. Only cretins do this.

Claire Moran ● 2183d61 Comments

I know my cats haven’t eatenThey are under the stairs Safe but they hate fireworks

Jon morris ● 2183d

I’m sorry your pets are scared and nervous. I do however think that if we act nervously and molly coddle them, they’ll get even more nervous. I carry on as normal and close my windows. Milly was fine hiding under the bed for a couple of hours. Eventually she fell asleep whilst the fireworks were still going off. People will always let off fireworks on Guy Fawkes. If yr nervous, yr pets will copy yr behaviour. Same with children.

Georgina Flint ● 2183d

I don't act nervous, Georgina with my 5 animals.  But they react in the way they feel they have to.  a very very, stupid statement from you.  Wild and farm animals regularly kill themselves by bolting into fences, etc.  I find it sad that people excuse the stupid people who do this to the detriment of domestic pets, farm animals and wild animals.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

I didn’t refer to farm life or wild life. You were talking about pets.

Georgina Flint ● 2183d

Agree with you Georgina, not at all a stupid statement . As a lifelong cat and dog-owner, never had issues with fireworks. And yes, I think pets, do pick up on owners’ anxieties, much as children do ....

Madeleine Hazard ● 2183d

I agree also.A typically nasty comment from our resident personality disordered poster.How dare people have some fun in what has been one of the worst years of most peoples lives.

Chris Davies ● 2183d

All animal reactions are different. If you don't understand that, and know now to tailor your reactions to each animal, rather than reading a few lines on some website, you shouldn't be pontificating on here. So sad that these posts are  from arrogant people who think they know everything about animals but actually know nothing, and their animals suffer as a consequence.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

And off she goes!

Stewart Jones ● 2183d

And your knowlegeable contribution to this thread, Jones, is exactly what?  You are clearly not a vet, or an animal supporter, so why exactly are you chiming in here, apart from putting your usual nasty posts on the forum?

Claire Moran ● 2183d

Well, Moran, you have no idea whether I ‘support’ animals or not, whatever that means.My point is that you lash out at anyone who disagrees with you. Georgina made a reasonable point and you just give in to your need to be right all the time.

Stewart Jones ● 2183d

Night, night, you old misery. Georgina's post was stupid.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

ClaireAre you saying I’m oblivious to Milly’s needs? She’s fast asleep and snoring (as usual) on the sofa next to me. She’s 17yrs now so knows the drill. I think I know a bit more about cats than you do tbh. Cats are independent creatures and don’t need wrapping up in cotton wool - unless they’re sick.

Georgina Flint ● 2183d

You are looking at your individual cat's needs.  That's fine. If Andy were still here, he would be posting about the effects of fireworks on his dogs. I have had many animals over the years, cats and dogs, been a trustee for animal charities, work with many people whose animals are distressed by a change in circumtances including rireworks and how to overcome them.  Pretty ridiculous to say that your experience of one cat is a model for the millions of pets and other animals acutely distressed by this, Georgina.  You clealy have no empathy so go take a hike.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

I think we all know who the rather stupid and aggressive person is on this thread. And it’s not Georgina. And her name begins with C.And you just say people are miserable when you’ve run out of anything to say.  Night. Night.

Stewart Jones ● 2183d

ClaireI’ve had 3 cats (2 have naturally passed away from old age). My family and extended family have lots of dogs between them. I volunteer for the Blue Cross now I’m out of a job. I’ve also put in an application to help Battersea. Is that good enough for you?

Georgina Flint ● 2183d

Jones, everyone on here knows you as a complete misery guts who on post, after post, cries about the fact that your hero, Jeremy Corbyn, and his extreme anti-Jewish agenda got defeated.  Get over it. If we had a block on here, I would block you for an irrational, nasty, dangerous left wing extremis with a total sense of humour by-pass and possibly dangerous attitude to all who don't agree with your extreme lefty views that translate into having a major issue with whoever doesn't agree with you politcally translating into trolling their posts, on whatever subject, on here.  Be careful, trolling is illegal.  Night night.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

No.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

You seem very highly-strung Claire. I love ALL animals. I want the best for them. I don’t think I need to say anymore than that.

Georgina Flint ● 2183d

Happy about this, all the owner's fault, Georgina?https://twitter.com/BBCWales/status/1324358360356016128

Claire Moran ● 2183d

Whatever you say you do Georgina, I don’t think it will be enough for Clare, now that you’ve ‘crossed swords’.For what it’s worth I thought your original comment didn’t merit the (uncivil) response it got from Clare.Equally, I know that Clare cares about the wellbeing of her pets and animals in general and both your opening posts were fine - it’s just that some posters on this forum seem very offended when someone expresses a different view to theirs,

Andrew Jones ● 2183d

Please don’t bully me into watching a video about animal cruelty. Yr so aggressive. I have seen lots of them, and they bring me to tears. I support these charities in my own (and private) way. Milly is snoring and perfectly happy.

Georgina Flint ● 2183d

Claire, really. So wrong on all counts.

Stewart Jones ● 2183d

Nothing is ever enough for Claire.I’ve repeatedly expressed my love of all animals. Claire, if you weren’t so aggressive and grumpy, I’d ask you for advice as to where I could volunteer.

Georgina Flint ● 2183d

Andrew, if Georgina's cat ia happy, that's graat. As posted earlier, one of my dogs is happy.  But billions of animals across the UK are not.  I just want people to recongise that their complacent microcosm experience with one pet by no means translates to millions of others whose pets are distressed, whether pets, wildlife or farm animals.  To suggest that everyone whose (probably more intelligent and sensitive) pets don't respond in the same way one individual's does is crass, stupid and dangerous.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

Stewart, so clearly wrong on every single post you share on this forum. Always negative, always prfoundly wrong.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

I think we all know that Claire cares about animals in general. Most people do. It’s a shame she can’t extend any warmth or understanding of difference to her community. She has accused me of some pretty vile things on this thread based on my antipathy to Brexit and the current government. On that basis she says I am a supporter of Corbyn and suggested I am an anti Semite. She needs to look to herself.

Stewart Jones ● 2183d

Not aggresive and grumpy at all, Geogina, I would apply those epithets to you, and from your posts on this forum would not recommend you to get involved as a volunteer with any animal charities. Sadly I don't think you have the right mindset for dealing with vulnerable animals and most charities would reject you.  Sorry, but there we are.  You display no empathy for vulnerable, traumatised animals.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

I love all animals. I don’t care what Claire thinks. Night night all x

Georgina Flint ● 2183d

Oh, get lost, Stewart. You are right, I do care for animals. But I have little patience for trolls like you who tag your negatism on just about every single post on the forum.  To the extent that I really think you have some serious problems and you really need to get your head sorted before you keep posting your hatred for Brexit, the current government, your oppostion to the oppostion and all it's various issues.  I sugget you really, really think about your mental health. Rehab maybe?  Seriously, in today's climate, people who post continuously negative posts as you do are probably deeply deeply depressed.  No shame in seeking help.  Good luck, I hope you do and I really hope it helps, sincerly, Stewart.  You really do need help.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

I have reported you.

Stewart Jones ● 2183d

ClaireHow on earth can you suggest someone needs mental health help and rehab? If people want to express their opinions, that’s fine. I think you are being a bully, yet again. I’m not surprised he’s reporting you. You should look closer to home Claire. You’re not a nice a cheerful person.

Georgina Flint ● 2183d

No wonder her pets have issues.

Chris Davies ● 2183d

Perfect Chris Davies commented as follows"I agree also "Who cares ? Are you a respected authority on some subject or other, such that people should listen to you ?" A typically nasty comment from our resident personality disordered poster."Maybe it's just as well that you didn't actually specifywho you were referring to there; as otherwiseyour remark could be seen as being clearly defamatory.Now obviously Perfect Chis Davis expects everyone he encounters in life to be perfectly perfect just like himself and his perfectly perfect family.And so when he encounters somebody a bit crotchety who hedoesn't happen to agree with, but without actually naming names,  as perfect people don't easily lay themselves opento legal remedy he accuses them of suffering from a "personality disorder" and making "nasty comments"! Clearly one unfortunate aspect of being a perfectly perfect person is suffering from an irony deficit. Butunfortunately irony supplement in the form ortablets or liquid are not yet available.Perfect Chris Davies then goes on to say" How dare people have some fun in what has beenone of the worst years of most peoples lives."Most people seem to manage to have enough fun simplyby watching entertainment or sport, eating nice food,resorting to drink, drugs or various physicalactivities to delicate to mention on a public forum, without any pressing need to scare the living daylights out of either people or animals. It really is as simple as that and I agree 100% with the OP.The fact its a tradition etc cuts no ice I'm afraid,So were public exaercutions at one stage. Which wereonly ended becaue people were clearly enjoyingthem too much.This is simply noise fascism. "I have this very loudfirework which I'm going to let off at any time Ichoose, and potentially scare the living daylightsout of anyone not expecting it and anyone whoobjects is being a spoilsport in spoiling my fun !I demand fun ! I want my fun !To repeat" one of the worst years of most peoples lives."So it would seem being perfectly perfect doesn'tnecessarily apply to reasoning ability either. Given thatfor many of self same those people whove had a bad it would made a whole lot worse by noise fascists demanding to have their "fun"michael adams

Michael Adams ● 2183d

"I do however think that if we act nervously and molly coddle them, they’ll get even more nervous. I carry on as normal and close my windows."Last night Fifi and Barney were in their baskets sleeping and I was watching TV, then there was an almighty boom, followed by 2 more, both woke up started panting heavily with uncontrollable shaking. I did nothing, they then rushed across to me still panting and shaking which got worse  at every loud bang, this went on for over 3 hours. Fifi and Barney are feisty, fearless Jack Russell's, but the noise and booms of fireworks distress them greatly. I let then stay next to me and stroked them. I should add that whilst I'm not a fan of fireworks they dont bother me in the slightest, so I was perfectly calm.Georgina, in your opinion was I molly coddling them or providing reassurance and some comfort whilst they were highly stressed ?

Loraine Pemberton ● 2183d

Well said Claire.

David Powers ● 2183d

Have found pets generally hate loud noises as their hearing is so much greater than ours.  Claire made a valid point on farm animals but do think animals transmit fear to each other, and possibly in domestic situation from the owner on occasions but don't think it's possible to calm them by remaining calm yourself as most adults are not afraid of fireworks but there are many terrified pets at this time of year.

Janice Evans ● 2183d

On the domestic front I would ask if it is at all humane to own a dog in a city.  Usually kept indoors for over twenty hours a day and, when walked, typically over the same old ground.This will worsen when, hopefully, Ealing follow other UK councils and ban dogs from public parks.  As a local nature warden explained to me recently "we" have gone past "peak dog" and the impact on other wildlife is noticeable.  The low numbers of Redwings and Thrushes in Ealing Parks this year is just one example.Rather than ban one event that happens once a year I would suggest dog owners need to look to themselves and ask if keeping a dog in a busy, noisy, polluted city is something they do for themselves ... and not for the dog.

David Grantley ● 2183d

We had dogs because my husband wanted them and as often happens I was the one looking after them, after my husband died and the dogs had live out their life I had no desire for another one, but quite happy to have cats, although this one will be my last, vet bills are part of the reason.

Janice Evans ● 2183d

Agree about dogs being left alone for many hours, although they often sleep when indoors.

Janice Evans ● 2183d

David Grantley explained [of dogs ]" Usually kept indoors for over twenty hours a day and, when walked, typically over the same old ground."But many such dogs are not alone but offer companionship to their owners during the day.Dogs aren't at all concerned about walking over the same old ground providing there are plenty of new smells as the result of other dogs havingbeen around. Dogs are in fact very territorial.As to your walking claim if you mean walked on a lead then that rather casts doubt on your subsequent claim as to how they can pose a threat to wildlife.  All banning dogs in public parks will achieve is deny many people the only real motivation many people can muster to take regular exercise in the open air. Something which provides them and their dogs with companionship in both meeting other dogs and other dog owners."As a local nature warden explained to me recently"Without wishing to appear unduly cynical all I can say is "Well he would (say that wouldn't he) ?His job depends on identifying problems whetherthey actually exist or not. If you talked to arborialists they would probably point to allsorts of problems the trees in most parks, similarly groundsmen to the dire state of the grass. "Rather than ban one event that happens once a year"Once a year ? Many of us indeed might prefer to return to the 1950's. More especially if we could remember the names of some of the Derby winners in between. But otherwise the once a year thing died out long ago I'm afraid."is something they do for themselves ... and not for the dog."The relationship between man and dog as with all other domesticated animals is symbiotic, and always has been. Thats what's so fascinating about it. We can't be sure why they like us, and aren't really sure if they really know why we like them or even give the matter very much thought. This is something you can't really get from a goldfish swimming around in a bowl.michael adams

Michael Adams ● 2182d

Great post Michael. It’s definitely food for thought 😻 🐶❤️

Georgina Flint ● 2182d

Totally agree, Michael, the voice  of reason as usual.  In nearly 25 years of walking dogs, including the incredible border collie I grew up with  I have rarely seen dogs threaten wildlife. Unlike cats. For he vast majority of dog owners, their pets are family. They take them to the seaside, for days out and weekends away, to a range of different parks and into the countryside for rambles and swims. Most town dogs are very happy  loved pets and are quite content be inside most of the day as long as they are not left alone too long (if I have to be out for more than 4 hours mine go to a dog minder.) Why not ban kids from parks? Then we animal lovers can stroll with our pooches in peace free from the ear splitting screams and aggression of miniature thugs.

Claire Moran ● 2182d

Actually  thinking about it, let's ban kids from all built up areas. Countryside is so much healthier for their little lungs instead of walking polluted streets. Let's bring in a law that says it's child abuse not to raise your child in a rural area.

Claire Moran ● 2182d

“... miniature thugs...”OMFG

Georgina Flint ● 2182d

Ha Claire, like it....

Janice Evans ● 2182d

CM > "Then we animal lovers..."Humans (Homo sapiens) are members of the animal kingdom.

John Whitworth ● 2182d

Jesus wept Claire, you really are one kind of particularly nasty, spiteful .....

Madeleine Hazard ● 2182d

FO Madeleine, you nasty creature. As observed before, you are totally self centred with no conscience.  Dally your silly days away on amateur dramatics. In the meantime, the real word is horrific that you simply are too cowardly to face. Many animals have died from our recent spate of fireworks, including four tame hens, and have a look at this. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6251950/aberdeen-horse-firework-eye-fundraiser/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebaramp  You are probably getting out the champagne.  Ugh.

Claire Moran ● 2182d

One Nasty thread

Jon morris ● 2182d

Such a giggle, Madeleine:- https://www.facebook.com/groups/46203854563/permalink/10158506020314564https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-54839329And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Yep, turn the music up loud, drink lots, pretend the world's fine. It isn't.

Claire Moran ● 2182d

😲

Georgina Flint ● 2181d

Oh Claire, the moment I met you I swear I ...... you sad, bitter, hate-filled midden Do point out where I’ve been observed as self-obsessed dear ...... oh you can’t Calm down sad lady .....

Madeleine Hazard ● 2181d

Poor Madeleine  something is very wrong with you. Never met you and hope it stays that way. Full of bile and goodness knows what else. Maybe cross that Trump is no more?  Hope you conquer your demons before they conquer you. Night night.

Claire Moran ● 2181d

Go Clair, I agree with you. It’s obvious that fireworks traumatise animal's. There is no argument!

Maureen Barrymore ● 2181d

Crikey, Claire - you seem to be very fond of telling us when you are off to bed and it's only 4.00p.m. according to your post. Night night.

Anne England ● 2181d

PMSL.Careful you don't have a stroke there.

Chris Davies ● 2180d

Remember this Maureen Barrymore...“Then we animal lovers can stroll with our pooches in peace free from the ear splitting screams and aggression of miniature thugs”. She’s shown her true colours now.

Georgina Flint ● 2180d

02.16 is 16 minutes past two in the morning, Anne.

Claire Moran ● 2180d

Checkout this link:-https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/08/animal-hospital-pelted-with-fireworks-terrifying-dogs-and-cats-inside-13559254/Or maybe some people think we molly coddle animals ?It's way beyond time we get into the 21st century whereby deliberate cruelty to animals is deemed completely unacceptable. There's  many links about this horrific attack, maybe Google and read them.

Loraine Pemberton ● 2180d

I think there are laws against deliberately firing fireworks at buildings , the police etc. I’m not sure that thugs doing this is really relevant to the discussion above, which is really about people using fireworks legally. It seems like you’re using this news article to vilify anyone who has done their own back garden display etc.

Rob Reynolds ● 2179d

RobI'm absolutely not using this horrific incident to vilify anyone other than those who assaulted the RSPCA!

Loraine Pemberton ● 2179d