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Do these people have backbones?

Dominic Raab Foreign Secretary refused to condemn Trump for wanting to stop counting votes in the U.S.in the case it looks like he losing. On BBC 'Politics Live' another gutless Tory also sat on the same fence wittering on about how we with the U.S., always defend democracy, but it wasn't right for anyone here to 'interfere'. Surely right is right and wrong is wrong irrespective if it's one of your chums? What a mealy-mouthed, pathetic bunch they are.

Vanessa Smith ● 2186d12 Comments

No they don’t

Helen Bamberger ● 2186d

Whoever wins, our government will have to work with them. It would hardly be wise to start off criticising them before we even know the result. Democracy takes many forms - the fact that in 2016 Hillary Clinton got three million more votes than Dumbass Donald and did not become President certainly suggests that their version could do with an overhaul, but our first-past-the-post system can also produce dubious results, so we are not in a position to sling mud at them.

Richard Greenhough ● 2186d

No doubt Trump has more tricks up his sleeve with all his friends in high places.

Rima Jones ● 2186d

Would the OP be happy for a US President to shove his nose in to condemn a candidate she favoured in a UK election?(And I say that as someone who has nothing but contempt for Trump)

Richard Cathcart ● 2186d

Typically you choose to miss the point entirely. Do you think it is right that a sore potential loser should demand that some votes should be disregarded in case they supported your opponent? As I said right is right, and wrong is wrong, regardless, and that mate is cheating, pure and simple.

Vanessa Smith ● 2186d

VS: "Typically you choose to miss the point entirely"RC: The original point - your point btw - was that Raab was spineless for not condemning Trump etc.Now you're condemning Trump for cheating etc.So well done - you've managed to miss your own point!

Richard Cathcart ● 2186d

If you wanted to make that point, in which you are entirely correct, you could have done it without one of your typical swipes at British government ministers who will have to work with whoever wins - and if, heaven help us, it should be DumbAss Donald, he is well-known for holding grudges against those who criticise him.

Richard Greenhough ● 2186d

'Would the OP be happy for a US President to shove his nose in to condemn a candidate she favoured in a UK election?(And I say that as someone who has nothing but contempt for Trump)'As I recall Trump hasn't been backwards in coming forwards with his views of Theresa May and others and also Brexit. Anyway, the point was Trump's threats and demands not him personally - even though I think he's the biggest and one of the most dangerous morons walking the planet.Does anyone really think that trying to ensure that some votes are ignored in case they didn't favour you is right?

Vanessa Smith ● 2186d

I am just really worried with this outcome- so many people now buying guns and a really divided USA - Is there becoming a civil war or am I just being scared unnecessarily ?

Helen Bamberger ● 2186d

"Does anyone really think that trying to ensure that some votes are ignored in case they didn't favour you is right?"No, Vanessa, but if that was the point you were trying to make you obscured it with a typical dig at Conservative politicians in your OP.

Richard Greenhough ● 2186d

'but if that was the point you were trying to make you obscured it with a typical dig at Conservative politicians in your OP.'Which of course is something you would NEVER do about the Labour party, and I should point out that both politicians who declined to comment happened to be Tories.

Vanessa Smith ● 2186d

Well, ok, we might have to suck up (ie recognise the realities). However, the responses by Raab and, even worse, Fox were sickening.What’s wrong with saying that it is as inappropriate for a foreign power to comment on a US election as it is to declare a result before the due process.If Donny is so hurt by that they we might consider how reliable an ally he really is.

Keith Welham ● 2186d