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Jennifer, cycling is fundamentally a safe activity.  Fatalities per mile are lower for cyclists than for pedestrians.  Google it if you don't beleive me.If you dig deeper into that, it's even safer cycling along a straight piece of road.  The vast majority of accidents happen at junctions.We do need to redesign some junctions, but the biggest thing we need to do is to stop some supposedly "pro-cycling" groups endlessly going on about how dangerous it is.It is well established that the best way to make cycling safer is to get more people doing it.  The more cyclists there are, the safer it gets.  Once you reach a critical mass, driving culture on the roads changes.  By constantly going on about how dangerous it is, you are discouraging people from cycling, which makes it less safe.These cycle lanes are a very expensive PR exercise to persuade people that cycling is safe, because the argument has been hijacked by advocacy groups with a particular viewpoint.I'm not part of the ridiculous anti-cycling group on this forum.  I'm writing this as someone who has cycled over 30,000 miles in London.I'm not saying that we shouldn't build anything.  Some of the cycle facilities that have been built are good - like the lane along the Embankment. However, there would be far more benefit for our money concentrating on fixing the bad junctions, which is where the vast majority of incidents happen.The police should also aggressively go after bad drivers.  There is a minority of drivers who cut deliberately cut cyclists up, and deliberately get far to close to them.  This puts off inexperienced cyclists.  These people should have their driving licenses removed for a very long period of time.A few police in plain clothes on bikes with cameras, and technology to measure how closely vehicles are passing would work wonders.  The fines they generate would more than pay for doing it, and once word got around that they were out there, it would act as a deterrent to bad drivers.The other thing to consider is what the roads will look like in 10 or 15 year's time.  Driverless cars are on the way.  They will stick to the speed limits, and they won't cut cyclists up.  It will be a lot less nervewracking for inexperienced cyclists.  They will also force the traffic that is still manually driven to obey the speed limits, as they will be stuck behind the driverless vehicles.We don't know the exact timescale of when they will be on the roads, but once they are legal, the numbers will increase very rapidly.  The conventional taxi trade will die out within a year or two, as driverless ones will be far cheaper.  The cheaper taxis will mean that more people will chose not to own their own cars.  It might also mean more people chosing to get into central London by car, resulting in total gridlock. That would get more people out of cars onto bikes, or result in road pricing, which will get more people out of their cars onto bikes.Bearing this in mind, we need to think about our infrastructure spending.  The roads will look very different in 15 years time - maybe much less than that if Elon Musk is correct about timescales.  We need to build infrastructure for the future, not infrastructure for an era that is coming to an end.

Al Webber ● 2210d

Al, without touching on the other points, I think you are being totally unrealistic as to when driverless cars will be viable in complex urban environments like London.You aren't going to see a replacement of every single vehicle on the road 'in 10 or 15 years time' with a driverless equivalent.Something like a speed limiter which prevents a vehicle exceeding the speed limit may produce big improvements in safety for a lot less complexity.The unpredictable movement of small objects like pedestrians and people on bikes may still be too difficult for technology for a very long time.  That could mean pressure for more cycle lanes rather than less as car manufacturers want to get people on bikes out of the way of their toys.  Same goes for banning pedestrians crossing roads except for designated places.  What about car manufacturers asking people to wear transponders so the car has a better idea of where they are...?Look at congestion now with the vast majority or cars driving round with only one person in them.  What is it going to be like with no people in them...?  There are only so many door to door journeys that can be done by a vehicle in any time, it doesn't matter if there is a driver or not, which is why cities encourage mass transport and cycling over individual vehicles.  I also see people hanging on to private cars for a long time.  Shared services like are Zipcar are great for many people, but what about fitting and unfitting a baby seat every time someone uses a car, or having to clean because of a wet dog in the back...Rather than asking London to redesign itself around what makes most money for car companies headquartered in Germany, Japan and California, maybe it would be better if these companies produced vehicles designed to work in cities.  Is a 2 tonne lump of metal capable of 150mph needed to drive a mile to the shops?

Michael Robinson ● 2210d

Michael, as far as I've read, it's not the urban enviroments that are the big issue.  They are well mapped, and the speeds are low so the computers have time to process everything.It's the open road that is the problem.  Speeds are higher, and stopping distance are longer, so the sensors need to see much further ahead, and the computers need to process faster.  At 70mph, they are right around the limit of what the sensors can detect.Elon Musk has said that Tesla are planning to have a beta of a completely autonomous car by the end of this year.  Realistically that will probably be some time next year, and with a period of testing and legal complexities, even the most ardent supporters of self driving cars will admit they won't be here in the next 3 years.  It's unlikely they will be here in 4 years time either, but it's quite possible that they will be here in 5 or 6 years time, and probably likely that they will be here within 10 years.Once they are here, the roads will change massively.  You don't need to replace every single vehicle to change the culture on the roads.  Even 1 in 5 would basically force almost everyone to stick to the speed limit, as those who would like to speed would be in a queue behind a driverless car.A lot of people will give up their cars.  There are already a lot of younger people who don't own their own cars, and just get an Uber a couple of times a week.  It works out cheaper.  Even with a cheap second hand car, it probably costs around £30 per week to own a car before you drive it anywhere. If you want something nicer it will be double that, or more.  It's already cheaper to get an Uber than it is to own a car to drive it 2 or 3 times per week.  With no driver to pay, then the price of a minicab will plummet.  More people will do the sums and come to the conclusion that it's cheaper not to own your own car.When the change comes, it will happen quickly.  Once they are legal, an operator like Uber will have thousands of them on the streets within months.  The conventional taxi trade will be completely dead inside 2 years.Even if some people do still retain their own personal cars, they won't be necessarily be that high a proportion of traffic.  As it is, a lot of people only drive their own car an hour or two per day, while things like cabs and buses are in use for a much higher proportion of the time.  Cabs might be a relatively small number of cars in absolute terms, but make up a much higher proportion of total traffic.Also, some who choose to retain their own private vehicle will choose a driverless one.  Manually driven privately owned vehicles will become the minority in places like London relatively quickly.You are right about there not being a need for 2 tonne lumps of metal for getting about London, and it is likely that on demand driverless cars won't all be 5 or 7 seaters.  The app that you use to book it will ask how many passengers there are and will send something appropriate.  At the moment, an individual cab driver has to have something bigger even though a large proportion of journeys only have 1 or 2 passengers.  He/she can't afford to be turning down fares on an individual basis.  If Uber (or other operators) have a fleet of thousands, they will be able to manage demand and send an appropriate vehicle.You are also right about the effect of empty cars on traffic.  Like I said, people will be forced out of cars, either by gridlock, road pricing, or some combination of both.I might be wrong on some of the minor details, and we don't know the exact timing, but we need to consider what the future look like when building infrastructure projects.Typically the business case for a big project might look at a 30 or 40 year time frame.  Everything will have changed on the roads in half that, or less.

Al Webber ● 2210d