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Harrington Road and Strand-on-the-Green

Have the low traffic plans for these roads been abandoned? I thought they were planned to have been implemented by now and the last I saw, the traffic was as heavy as I have ever seen! Thank you!

Raj Panasar ● 2212d45 Comments

Be careful Raj, Cllr Hearn will out you as an outsider by referring to Hartington Road like that.And no they have not been abandoned they will start once they can afford/install the ANPR cameras.

Richard Potts ● 2211d

As everyone knows, Harrington Road is named after the short lightweight jacket with a collar and a zipped front, often worn by members of the local landed gentry.  I must have learned that at school, Cllr Hearn!

Peter Evans ● 2211d

I’ve heard that one resident offered to pay for the camera themselves! £20k. That’s how keen people are to have quiet and safe streets to live in.I think everything is still on but can well imagine that there has been a run on the cameras given how many are being installed all over London.

Paul Campbell ● 2211d

"I’ve heard that one resident offered to pay for the camera themselves! £20k. That’s how keen people are to have quiet and safe streets to live in."It would be fair if those people were only allowed to drive along their own roads. Or perhaps not allowed to drive or have cars at all.

Alex Shpinkov ● 2211d

We are all keen to have quiet and safe streets that all local residents can use whether on foot, on bikes, scooters or cars. What we do not want is this insane "war on the car" causing detours, additional air pollution and 24/7 sledge hammers to crack nuts.The latest update that Chiswick Riverside Cllrs have received is that the ANPR cameras are on their way and that Hounslow Highways have their installation in the work programme for the end of October and early November. In practice this means that the cameras will not be in place until mid-November at the earliest and will then have to be run in test mode.The ANPR cameras will be installed in Hartington Road, Thames Rd, Strand on the Green, Grove Park Terrace, St Thomas's Road and the A316 end of Staveley Road. We understand that the council have relented and will not be erecting an ANPR camera in Edensor Rd ((gosh another place name borrowed from Derbyshire - how weird) An ANPR camera installed at the eastern of the long drag of Staveley Road would have been a real deterrent to rat runners. But no - Hounslow Council had to install their macho brightly coloured (but ineffective) diagonal barrier at the junction of Park and Staveley Roads(wow whatever next a street in Chiswick named after Staveley a nice village in Cumbria).If ANPR cameras had been purchased and installed at the start of the process on Hartington, SOG and the school end of Staveley  in June/July we could all have judged if a barrier at Harvard Hill was really necessary or just a massive in convenience to locals actually making life less safe for pedestrians and cyclists. 

Cllr Sam Hearn ● 2211d

Really Paul, is that from the same source that told you that the High Road was booming. Or are you just a serial liar. I think we should ignore your posts.

Paul Green ● 2211d

Many of the street names in Grove Park derive from the fact that the land was originally owned by the Duke of Devonshire (who, confusingly, had his seat at Chatsworth in Derbyshire), family name Cavendish. My guess is Staveley gets its name from the Derbyshire Staveley.

Sarah U Benson ● 2211d

It seems that you can get away with anything if you quote a fictional resident.Whether it's Paul and the booming High Street or the fictional resident with £20k to burn on ANPR or Cllr Biddolph and the streets of Belfast or Cherry Trees. They all use this tactic.Indeed, I have even heard one resident say that I, Richard Potts am the "Cassandra Of Chiswick" - my accurate prophecies dismissed by the ignorant mob and then forgotten when they transpire.

Richard Potts ● 2211d

Paul I think it’s about time that I mentioned to you that I consider you to be an inconsequential nobody because I do not know you and you have shown no evidence of having any influence on the things that matter to me. Your demands for me to answer to you will continue to fall on deaf ears because I couidn’t care less what you think about anything. This might be different if everything wasn’t working for me but it is so .... shrug.

Paul Campbell ● 2211d

That is fine Paul C, you are also an utterly inconsequential and astonishingly arrogant individual. As long as everyone else who visits this forum can see that, but more particularly that the cylcing lobby seem happy to lie and make seemingly completely false claims to support their cause. This is bad enough in general but even worse when local businesses and the livelihood of their owners are at stake. If 'going your way' means traffic chaos, pollution and congestion for many and numerous businesses suffering, then shame on you

Paul Green ● 2211d

Cllr Hearn, what did the Hounslow officers tell you about the issues installing addition ANPR cameras?You meet with them regularly, I assume you have asked why don’t they install cameras all over the place given you claim this is simple. I’m not sure what your expertise in this area is, although you are talking regularly to people who do have knowledge.It would be duplicitous if someone was fully aware of reasons why certain things weren’t practical or possible but continued to claim that they were, wouldn’t it ?It would be possible to FOI council communications to see if what Cllr Hearn had been told matches his claims but that would be imposing even more workload on the council staff.  No need for that if Cllr Hearn is being honest.

Michael Robinson ● 2211d

I am either a member of the evil cycling lobby exerting unfair and anti-democratic influence on the authorities with lies and subterfuge to get my dastardly schemes implemented to make you suffer in traffic chaos and to blame for dry cleaners not making enough money during a global pandemic or I am utterly inconsequential. If I am the latter why do you follow me around this forum like a bad smell whinging and whining about your tedious local car journeys and about the fate of local businesses that you can’t be bothered to support?

Paul Campbell ● 2211d

Paul C what utter tosh!  I LIVE on Hartington Rd.and have done so since 1975.  If you want something constructive to yap on about, why not stop ALL heavy goods vehicles over a certain weight from entering Grove Park and Strand on the Green unless by special licence.    In rush hours only stop non residents from driving through our area.  End of story that's as much as we the RESIDENTS want or need!

Jennifer Selig ● 2210d

Thank you Cllr Hearn - as always you are a great support for the Riverside residents and all residents of Chiswick.

Jennifer Selig ● 2210d

Paul C, it seems good Sir I owe you an apology. It must be another Paul Campbell that appears on every single traffic thread to add little other than often dismissive comments. He is the one who signed the letter to the govnt as an 'MD' of a consultancy thingy, a real MD would be far too busy to post on here all the time.As to be more specific:* You are not it seems a cycling lobbyist?* You did knowingly sign a letter to the transport minister containing clear falsehoods?* You have an imaginary friend who is willing to spend £20k on a camera for Hartington Road? Can you name said person, is he/ she also the one who said the High Road is booming* You are fully aware its not just a local dry cleaners that is suffering due to access restrictions?* You think its funny that you post falsehoods and amusing that you are called out for this behaviour?

Paul Green ● 2210d

You are very interested in somebody who you called an “utterly inconsequential individual” aren’t you? A great deal more interested than I am in you that’s for sure. I’m really glad that I fascinate you so but haven’t you got some traffic to go and sit in so that you can complain about it on here?

Paul Campbell ● 2210d

Please take these conversations off line.

Cllr Sam Hearn ● 2210d

for once I agree with Mr Hearn

Richard Potts ● 2210d

Sincere thanks for the detailed response. And apologies everyone about the misspelling of “Hartington Road”! Siri lead me astray and I wasn’t good enough to find my way back before I hit send!  😔

Raj Panasar ● 2207d

I'm a little late to the party, is Hartington Road going to be for the use of residents only?  If so why?  I use it regularly when returning from Kew Retail, and used to alternate between it and Staveley but I don't need to tell you that Staveley is a no no.  Why am I soon not to be able to do this.  Can I ban anyone from Hartington from my road?  I am seriously confused and not trying to be confrontational.

Maggie Dodge ● 2206d

You will only be able to use Hartington Road as an entry point to Grove Park if you live in the CS or RV controlled parking zones.  You will be able to exit Grove Park through Hartington Road with no issue. I am one of the "lucky" residents in the allowed zone and I am not thrilled at the way Grove Park is being partitioned off. The inconvenience for visitors, deliveries etc is substantial.  I am also deeply suspicious of the manner in which it is being done and in the way that it is now linking with allowing the Brentford Stadium traffic to come in Grove Park through the Strand on the Green point for parking.  How long before we are charged for the privilege of driving to our front door, and as you say, how long before we are banned from driving to yours?  The given reason for all this is to ban through traffic and make the roads more liveable.  And you can't formally complain until the scheme is implemented.

Cecile Parfitt ● 2206d

Thank you Cecile.  So Hounslow have not learned that these schemes don't work?  Look at the mess Chiswick is in.  Look at how many Councils are starting to back track on these schemes.  I am not surprised that Hounslow are not big enough to put their hands up and admit their mistakes, but to keep on making them is a shame.  Anyone who wants to stop through traffic, has to ask themselves where it is going instead.  So as long as its not down my road, I don't care seems to be the thinking.  Shame on those people.

Maggie Dodge ● 2206d

Can I just ask how much is each Hartington Road resident paying to fund this scheme?  I do hope this includes the cost of signage and that for once Hounslow get it right.  Also how much will their Council Tax increase to reflect them having their road all to themselves?

Maggie Dodge ● 2206d

On a side note Councillor Khan's announcement on the council website about the bridge on Hounslow Road being fully open was a little bit un-true, the bridge still had barriers up and temporary traffic lights when I drove down it yesterday. Oh they have implemented a temporary traffic order as well because they think the pavements are too narrow for large lorries to drive over after widening the bridge but still allow buses to go over. Are they just a bit power hungry now and can we trust Hounslow Council?

James Hansfield ● 2206d

We are not paying anything. The money is coming from central Government. Thereafter from fines?

Cecile Parfitt ● 2206d

Loads more LTNs in the pipeline across the whole Borough and all over Chiswick so no need for anybody to feel jealous.

Paul Campbell ● 2206d

I bet Councilor Khan hasn't introduced any of these road schemes around where he or his mates live?

Brian Green ● 2206d

https://democraticservices.hounslow.gov.uk/documents/s164042/Appendix%203%20-%20Attachment%20A%20LTN%20map.pdfBet they cannot wait...going to be a fun to watch 🍿

Russell Pearson ● 2206d

I can't believe this is happening.  How will friends and family visit, will they get vouchers ? Hasn't the Government got a million and one things to spend money on at the moment.  Drove down Chiswick High Street today, what a pig's ear it is now.  The bus stop near Fishers Lane is a joke

Maggie Dodge ● 2205d

No vouchers. Depending on where you live, visitors will need to access via Sutton Court Road/Staveley Road/Burlington Lane (outside of school hours).  Access also from Harvard Road, Park Road, Milnthorpe Road off A4 travelling west.  Also from Strand on the Green until that also closes down to that quarter of Grove Park only (and the football parking traffic).

Cecile Parfitt ● 2205d

Do tell.

Bruce Hammal ● 2205d

Good news - LTN recognised as a manifest failure and stopped. “Good morning, everyone.I have reflected on the Quiet Streets pilot feedback from residents.Our Council is here to listen and to deliver the services & infrastructure that matter to you. You have been clear that Quiet Streets is not working for you and so we have decided to withdraw the scheme.We are listening and we are acting.“https://www.facebook.com/447472535462883/posts/1520580078152118/

Russell Pearson ● 2205d

It couldn't happen here. Or could it?

Bruce Hammal ● 2205d

If the start fining people across Hounslow and clogging up Brentford and Hounslow high streets it might. Can’t see all the detail on the plans yet, but have a sneaky feeling they will get off with ‘LTN-Lite’ with no main arteries blocked. As Steve Curran said when he announced it all “We’re not stupid”

Russell Pearson ● 2205d

As the last bits of the Hartington Road & Staveley Road LTNs come in my prediction is that Hogarth Roundabout will become completely gridlocked on a regular basis.  Amusingly that was predicted by the then local MP as far back as 1975!Of course that means for LBH that such a result could not have been foreseenOne other thing.  Whilst I, like many others, may disagree with Paul there is no reason for posters to become personally abusive to him.

Justin Stephenson ● 2205d

https://democraticservices.hounslow.gov.uk/documents/s164042/Appendix%203%20-%20Attachment%20A%20LTN%20map.pdf

Alex Shpinkov ● 2205d

"Loads more LTNs in the pipeline across the whole Borough and all over Chiswick so no need for anybody to feel jealous." Paul is of course correct. These are all to be rubbers stamped on Tuesday at the next Hounslow Cabinet meeting.This link will get you to the virtual link if you want to observe the virtual cabinet meeting. It should not take long - discussion of each item on the agenda is perfunctory. https://democraticservices.hounslow.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=571&MId=11759

Cllr Sam Hearn ● 2205d

Would be great to see your workable and fully costed counter-proposals Councillor...

James Carter ● 2205d

The thing is that the current proposal that is going to be approved next week is neither  workable nor properly costed .

Alex Shpinkov ● 2205d

Let me get this straight. Faced with an overwhelming tide of public opposition to LTN measures in Redbridge, the leader of the council honestly and openly acknowledges the fact and withdraws them saying:"Our Council is here to listen and to deliver the services & infrastructure that matter to you.You have been clear that Quiet Streets is not working for you and so we have decided to withdraw the scheme.We are listening and we are acting."Meanwhile in Hounslow, the leader of the council, faced with a similar level of popular rejection, plans to install more LTNs.Wow, this really is democracy by postcode isn't it?

Bruce Hammal ● 2205d

Indeed. If this was a change project in the private sector, and it generated this amount of opposition so early on, I’d expect any further expansion to be put on hold, and an urgent review into what was going so badly wrong. They’ve broken all the rules of change management and ignored the best practice in urban planning. All similar projects in other cities have these key learnings - make full consultation and effective communication an integral part of the project from the start, and really listen and respond to local residents and other stakeholders.

Russell Pearson ● 2205d

Why would a labour council care about residents in Chiswick?

James Hansfield ● 2205d

I should have added that Redbridge Council also has an almost identical political makeup to Hounslow - 51 Labour 12 Conservative councillors, It doesn't seem to preclude valuing rational government over dogma and ego.

Bruce Hammal ● 2205d

In fairness they introduce completely unnecessary and unreasonable LTNs all over the borough. The Labour council does not really care about residents anywhere.

Alex Shpinkov ● 2205d

Now being reported in American mediahttps://www.vice.com/en/article/m7aqj8/low-traffic-neighbourhoods-islington-protest

Russell Pearson ● 2205d