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Twenty new Covid infections in W4 area in one week

See front-page article. There is also a significant upward trend in cases nationally. Public Health England reported 2988 new cases today - particularly worrying, given the inadequacy of test and tracing (some people are being directed to test centres more than a hundred miles away). The majority of new cases appear to be younger people, who probably consider it unlikely that they will be seriously ill with the disease, but who can be responsible for infecting more vulnerable individuals. On my daily walks I often see young people who have no regard for social distancing. Yesterday, for example, there was a group of perhaps 15 to 18 sat in a circle on the grass by the Dukes Meadows promenade, all within a foot of one another. When a newcomer arrived, it was hugs all round. When will they learn, or do they simply not give a damn? How do we encourage them to be more responsible citizens?

Robert Fish ● 2246d85 Comments

RobertWell said !

Loraine Pemberton ● 2245d

You've been had.

Michael Brown ● 2245d

Weekly Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Surveillance Report "Some surveillance indicators suggest that there have been small increases in COVID-19 activity at a nationallevel during week 35 while other indicators remain stable. Case detections in England increased from 6,744 inweek 34 to 7,122 in week 35. Case rates were highest in North West and Yorkshire and Humber. At a localauthority level, incidence was highest in Bolton, followed by Oldham. Case rates were highest in the 15-44 yearage group. Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 positivity increased slightly compared to the previous week, with a particularincrease noted in Pillar 2 positivity in the 15-44 year olds in both males and females. "https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/914813/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_36_FINAL.pdf

Andy Riley ● 2245d

Herd immunity - healthy and original Boris policy before black op gathered pace.

Michael Brown ● 2245d

Robert,Can you explain why you are proposing delaying population immunity? the longer it takes, the longer vulnerable people will be in danger.  We have finite testing capacity, so this should be directed at the vulnerable and their carers.  In this scenario, the problems with testing would be less of an issue as positives could be followed up with further testing and diagnostics.Let the healthy young get back to doing what healthy young people do - socializing, making friends, dating, marrying, raising children, working, paying taxes, funding healthcare for the rest of us.Can you please try and imagine our plight if the current half in half out of a pandemic continues? When furlough end, unemployment soars, tax receipts tank, borrowing spirals further out of control, poverty, suicides, depression increase.  This is what you are proposing.I recall that there was an accusation that the Tories had caused 120,000 excess deaths due to the austerity measure post 2008 financial crisis.  Anyone who believed that should have no problem imagining the effects of the Covid induced economic disaster hitting us.

Andy Riley ● 2245d

Test, test, test to get 'cases' on the board. Cases, ooh lovely cases; but cases in care homes have been denied attention from doctors and medics. All left to die.

Michael Brown ● 2245d

Letting the thing take its course to produce herd immunity is fine, unless you happen to feel that a dose will kill you. No amount of testing will help if you are told you are positive and face a serious attack. So, in that scenario, anyone vulnerable is going to be in permanent lockdown.

Vivienne Cox ● 2245d

There are degrees of vulnerability. Obviously the infirm aged are at one end of the scale, and healthy young people at the other. But what about all the middle-aged parents who have 20-something children living at home? Are they to be sacrificed to the freedom of the younger generation?I note your euphemism, "finite testing capacity". Everything is finite, except perhaps God and the Universe. A better term would be "inadequate". And that's even before allowing for the lamentable performance in tracing contacts. There's no way test and trace at current levels of performance will keep us all safe. People have to take more individual responsibility. Herd immunity is a non-starter.

Robert Fish ● 2245d

Exactly Robert.  Quite sure the young, fit and healthy get over the Covid virus very easily and quickly - it is the old, in bad health people who are the ones to suffer really badly.I think maybe we are expendable in a World needing to get up and go.  At the end of it, the World will survive, just pleased I won't be here to have to live in it, don't think I'd like it much.  "OUR" NHS now after a period of rest after the panic of the pandemic, needs to get off it's backside and start to care for us the population rather than the population looking after it!  All the GP surgeries need to start back working full time and actually seeing patients.  Hospital must be open for people other than "Covids".  Far more are dying through lack of care.  The NHS urgently needs a complete overhaul - the medical staff are excellent but the cumbersome waste of space paper pushing, rules and regs., form filling and top heavy management is too much.  Being viewed as a free service (which it most certainly is not) it gets constantly abused.  This enormous conglomerate has to be a mix of private and government funded monies.  In fact already the NHS has been using private hospitals in an effort to cope.  Buying private beds in the private sector must be very expensive - so why not make it a mix of compulsory private insurance as happens in many European countries.

Jennifer Selig ● 2245d

"Underlying conditions" being a reason for not getting treatment/being healthy enough to survive a dose of Covid 19 is reminiscent of the 1930s and should be no excuse. We are all different just because we are humans. The bigger dose you are exposed the worse it appears to be.I completely agree with Robert.  I too have seen the youngsters sitting elbow to elbow in the park and hugging each other on parting.  It is ironic that they sit unsocially distanced and yet are far more able than many who are older to use social media.It is not true that it is always mild in the young and fit or that you have to have "underlying conditions".  You can spout your statistics as much as you like but they won't help the teenager or anyone else who has brought the illness into their home with devastating consequences after the event.  Or the 40% who apparently who get through it but have a longer lasting problem.We should all be reminded that drugs and alcohol can limit inhibitions and although the intention may be to take care and socially distance - after a drink or two those good intentions may be forgotten.  This is very noticeable with the parties in the parks and it is surely worse in the privacy of peoples' own homes and gardens.  It can be easy to forget when we haven't seen our friends for a long time.Shouldn't we all be looking out for each other rather than dismissing the problem?

Philippa Bond ● 2245d

Young people aren't harming anyone in this country. Virtually no-one is dying 'with' 'covid'. Wake up you brainwashed fools.

Michael Brown ● 2245d

"the 40% who apparently who get through it but have a longer lasting problem"You have just "spouted" a statistic.  But you didn't supply the source.  Where did you see this?

Andy Riley ● 2245d

AR > "Let the healthy young get back to doing what healthy young people do..."How do you propose clearly, safely and fairly identifying those healthy enough and young enough to withstand exposure to the virus without too much risk of serious illness or death?And how will you manage contact between that group and those who are not so blessed - some form of segregation perhaps?

John Whitworth ● 2245d

Testing up https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing Cases up https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases In hospital flat https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare Deaths flat https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

Julian Pavey ● 2245d

Who in their right mind believed the government cared about the elderly pre-covid? Who in their right mind believes the government cares about the elderly now, after the government left thousands to die in care homes? Medical help banned. Family banned. Do Not Resuscitate. Wake up you fools.

Michael Brown ● 2245d

Hence we need a full lockdown to protect the elderly from this inept government.

Steve Taylor ● 2245d

We need a lockdown of shills like you, Taylor.

Michael Brown ● 2245d

Some care  homes were sending residents to hospital during the outbreak,And other care homes had no Covid cases.

Janice Evans ● 2245d

Also the elderly keep an awful lot of the younger generation in employment which is often overlook.

Janice Evans ● 2245d

We need a lockdown of shills like you Brown 3rd. This sums up the government, I was asked to partake in a govt Covid immunity testing program which was being conducted by Imperial college and the kit would arrive in 4-5 days. Day 7 yesterday and still no kit which did not surprise me but talking to a very good friend who has some inside track from within, the govt have limited stock of the test kits which is now being held for the impending surge. I am also told that the “big” campaign being worked on is preparing us for maximum of 2 family bubble over the Christmas holidays which does not apply to Cummings.So  3rd Brown, back To your lalala land and wake up to the reality of this epidemic because so far everything you have been preaching has been a load of      b😩ll🤪🤪 cks.

James Smith-Jones ● 2244d

65 cases in the latest week 29 Aug-4 Sep+42 compared with the previous week1,355 total cases to 07 Sep

Loraine Pemberton ● 2244d

Daily deaths have been about 10 for over a month.What does this tell us?

Andy Riley ● 2244d

It tells us that, of the 1,500 or so daily deaths from all causes, 'covid' is the smallest threat of all to life.

Michael Brown ● 2244d

John,PHE issues and keeps updated guidance for "the clinically extremely vulnerable":https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19#definitionFor those who do not fall into the category of extremely vulnerable this study is a comprehensive analysis of the risk factors:"OpenSAFELY: factors associated with COVID-19-related hospital death in the linked electronic health records of 17 million adult NHS patients"https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v1.full.pdfSo it should be possible to support a new policy to lead us back to normality by focusing on the vulnerable with: clear and reliable information to enable people to assess their own risk; advice and support where necessary; and directing our testing resources at the vulnerable and their carers and close family.As for the rest of us I think that by now there is a greater understanding of hygiene, which should be constantly reinforced (let's bring back the "Coughs and sneezes spread diseases" campaign from the 1950's).  It may be of some utility to think of the various cohorts in society and how disease resistance builds in each of these.  So for the young partying, boozy crowd, there is a good chance that population immunity will be achieved, for the responsible middle - they (we) will observe distancing and hygiene slowing the spread that way, for the vulnerable the measures linked to above will be needed. I think you raise a good point in highlighting the issue of the interfaces between these groups.What are the alternatives and what are the health, welfare and economic costs of these?

Andy Riley ● 2244d

Probably more deaths by stabbings by now, so lets roll out tests for knives and enforce wearing of stab vests.

Andy Riley ● 2244d

Of course. Masks are not for health reasons. Masks are political and symbolic. They represent obedience and acceptance of the 'new normal'.Masks were never mandatory on a genuinely sick person. Now they are forced upon the healthy. Wake up you fools.

Michael Brown ● 2244d

AR > "... this study is a comprehensive analysis of the risk factors:"And in the conclusion we see that race and deprivation are major risk factors. Ergo, different treatment for black and poor people?AR > "I think you raise a good point in highlighting the issue of the interfaces between these groups."Exactly.

John Whitworth ● 2244d

It is becoming a never ending farce.Average UK deaths at least partly attributed to covid in the last 7 days = 7.  It was 14 at the start of August.Average UK new infections in last 7 days = 2032.  It was 753 at the start of August.With the exception of a few countries (e.g. India) the vast majority are experiencing the same trend, a surge in new infections but an ever declining death rate.  Fortunately most countries (other than New Zealand and Hungary) are not stupid enough to think that reintroducing lockdowns will achieve anything.  Hungary panicked and in response to a surge in new infections has closed its borders for 30 days,  despite its 7 day average death rate having never been higher than 2 since mid June.  A week after closing its borders new cases are continuing to surge, whereas its death rate remains at 1 per day.

Adam Beamish ● 2244d

Hungary closing it borders probably has nothing to do with Covid-19 and more to do with the nature of their government. The point is taken about the low level of fatalities at the moment but these will rise if the infection has a grip going into the colder season with schools back, more people back at work and less opportunity to be outside. There is a reason flu always hits harder during the winter. I don't think loosening of the lockdown should be postponed and we should recognise as we do loosen cases will tend to rise from a low base and not panic. However, it would be foolhardy to be over complacent and a second wave would be utterly catastrophic for the economy.  One week's numbers aren't necessarily representative but Chiswick's latest infection rates should be giving rise to concern. I'm surprised the flower market was given the all clear given how high they were.

Alison Howard ● 2244d

AR > "Probably more deaths by stabbings by now..."No.The number of killings by a sharp instrument is around 260 per year, or about 0.7 per day.

John Whitworth ● 2244d

I disagree Alison - Hungary was very much aligned with its neighbours in terms of its initial response to covid (my other half is Slovak), but now it stands alone in terms of closing its borders for September, whereas the Czech, Austrian and Slovak governments have all expressly stated they will do not follow suit, and Slovakia in particularly was extremely cautious in lifting restrictions until a month or so ago.How can assume the level of fatalities will rise ?.  It might, but the actual evidence of virtually every country over the last 2 months shows a surge (effectively a second wave) of new infections but with no corresponding increasing impact on the number of fatalities, indeed precisely the opposite.  Clearly if we got to the point where we were averaging hundreds of deaths a day again due to covid that would be a big problem, but at the moment that seems very unlikely, the average deaths count is only going one way and that's not upwards (unlike new infections).Effectively we're already in a 'second wave' and the economy is screwed, and continues to be screwed, despite the hard fact that deaths from covid are now negligible, but the mainstream media is still scare-mongering about infection rates, all we hear about is infection rates because if they focused upon death rates they know the message being communicated to the public would be very different.  Whilst I might not subscribe to some of Michael's theories, I certainly think the government fluctuates between unnecessarily and unjustifiably scaring people, and yet when it suits (e.g. promoting staycations or eat out to help out) the government wants us to know how safe the UK is.  And of course that is driven by selfish self-interest on behalf of the government to try to keep people spending in the UK rather than abroad.It's becoming a joke to keep implementing and lifting local lockdowns and implementing/lifting mandatory quarantine from certain countries.

Adam Beamish ● 2244d

"Probably more deaths by stabbings by now,"Absolute rubbish.

Steve Taylor ● 2244d

"the low level of fatalities at the moment but these will rise if the infection has a grip going into the colder season with schools back, more people back at work and less opportunity to be outside. There is a reason flu always hits harder during the winter."Yep. 100% correct.

Steve Taylor ● 2244d

"I'm surprised the flower market was given the all clear given how high they were."Yep. Totally irresponsible and quite unnecessary. While people are starving around the world the Chiswick bubble can only think about 'flowers' to stroke their egos.

Steve Taylor ● 2244d

tell you what you denial bozos, you try telling the families their loved ones lives don't matter. Those families are grieving, for some unable to say their final goodbye and you think a "sorry mate but you were unlucky and you were old anyway costing the state money, tough luck" has it not crossed your pea brains that "they" were people who worked hard, paid their taxes and perfectly entitled to use the NHS like the rest of us. Please show some respect people, please.

James Smith-Jones ● 2244d

"Denial bozos", "pea brains" followed by "please show some respect people, please".Ever since you started posting on this forum you've liberally scattered insults at people based on your own personal opinions and perceptions, and you continue to do so, yet you then have the audacity to ask others to some kind of humility.Go and look in the mirror.

Adam Beamish ● 2244d

i only throw insults at insensitive pea brained bozos.

James Smith-Jones ● 2244d

He doesn’t need to look in the mirror. He is not asking anyone to agree with him or respect him. He is simply asking people to show some respect towards those who died of the virus and those who have lost loved ones. There are tens of thousands of those in the UK so being in denial of the problem is disrespectful.

Steve Taylor ● 2244d

just had a good look in the mirror and all looks good and also just made a nice cup of coffee and i can also confirm i can smell it.

James Smith-Jones ● 2244d

Thank you Steve, but it seems we are the ones who are mad by being "normal". Crazy world we are living in.

James Smith-Jones ● 2244d

Yes, whatever Steve - as someone who has only this morning posted saying "Yes, 100% correct" in response to someone expressing a viewpoint (and it is just that, a personal opinion/viewpoint, which might or might not be accurate, only time will tell) I'm not entirely surprised by your response.My comment to James wasn't just about this particular issue, as was made clear by the content of my post, but his habit over many months of threads covering all kinds of issues to to turn to childish insults whenever a poster expresses a different perspective/viewpoint.Forums are all about conveying different points of view and respecting that others may have contrasting viewpoints to yours, and unless the thread is about something factual then no-one can or should be dogmatic, but as I've openly told you before (and sometimes we agree on issues and other times we completely disagree) in my view you're he most dogmatic posters there is, which is why I'm not particularly fond of you (not that it matters a jot).I have little time for people who try to run with the "you heartless b*stards" suggestion when it comes to discussions about covid.  I've had a family member catch it, a friend of the family who was relatively old but otherwise healthy died from it.  I have a father in his early 80's who has been through a major operation recently and a mother in her mid 70's who has had both a stroke and breast cancer in the last 5 years.  So there's never been a denial or lack of awareness on my part, but nor do I (or in my view should I) feel a need to justify my right to post without someone like James coming along as though he's in some way morally superior.But I try to balance that with the flip side of such 'emotional string pulling" with the consequences of being unnecessarily overly-cautious in terms of trying to get back to some kind of normality in terms of the economy and the well-being of the world as a whole, regardless of whether people are 5 or 85.

Adam Beamish ● 2244d

Adam, you have the right to post and I love this forum but when there is a particular group of BOZOS who have not stopped banging on, as we agree a sensitive time, it annoys me and many others that a sense of respect need to be observed which clearly is beyond the PEA BRAINED BOZOS particularly BROWN3RD himself. I wish you and your family continued good health going into an increasingly likely second wave.Perhaps am going mad and this will not happen if Brown3rd is to be believed. Let us see who is right in 3 months time.

James Smith-Jones ● 2244d

But I try to balance that with the flip side of such 'emotional string pulling" with the consequences of being unnecessarily overly-cautious in terms of trying to get back to some kind of normality in terms of the economy and the well-being of the world as a whole, regardless of whether people are 5 or 85.  I whole heartedly agree with you but I also have a duty to do all I can to stop this virus spreading which could kill myself or any member of my family or people living close by. I respect other peoples' gift of life, wish some on here would do the same

James Smith-Jones ● 2244d

John,I suspect we have differing underlying assumptions that we haven't exposed. I sense that your model is one of our behaviour being managed by the state, mine is that we should make our own judgments based on the information and knowledge available.  For example, as a 64 year old I know I'm nudging into the more at risk category so I'll modify my behaviour accordingly - avoid packed public transport, give up the clubbing, keep exercising and stick to a good diet etc etc.  I don't feel that any of this amounts to "different treatment"

Andy Riley ● 2244d

AR > "I sense that your model is one of our behaviour being managed by the state, mine is that we should make our own judgments based on the information and knowledge available."The first part of that sentence is wrong.Some of the 'information and knowledge available' was provided by your reference - black and poor people are more at risk. Doesn't that imply that black and poor people should be encouraged to be more careful than white and rich people?But this brings us to a different set of problems. Those at higher risk are less likely to engage with or understand the information and knowledge available. They are also less likely to have the resources that allow them to act upon it and take the necessary precautions to protect themselves.If only it was easy.

John Whitworth ● 2244d

So do you agree that " we should make our own judgments based on the information and knowledge available." ?"Those at higher risk are less likely to engage with or understand the information and knowledge available"That is rather a broad brush statement, I expect some will and some won't. So we target support for those less able to understand and act upon guidance. You are right in that this is not easy but I don't believe the problems are insurmountable as was demonstrated by the massive response to the call for volunteers at the start of the pandemic.

Andy Riley ● 2244d

AR > "You are right in that this is not easy..."That'll do for me :-)

John Whitworth ● 2244d

It’ll never end. We were told at the beginning to prepare for the New Normal. That crook, Tedros, of the WHO recently said that, even with a vaccine, it won’t end. The governments, the ‘scientists’ and the WHO are all in it together, representing their funders from an elitist gentleman’s club who have chosen slavery for the lot of us. It’s about total control over the masked slaves and, ultimately, the killer vaccine.

Michael Brown ● 2244d

Guantanamo Bay or Sainsbury's?

Michael Brown ● 2244d

“ then no-one can or should be dogmatic,”Mmmm. The fact that you are not fond of dogmatic posters does in fact make you the ultimate bigot. You may wish to reflect upon this fact instead of  conveying your continuous self righteousness. I am ware that you try hard to get everyone to like you whereas I couldn’t give a toss if people like me or not. It’s their problem if they struggle with other opinions.

Steve Taylor ● 2244d

Isolation of the population is important to the cabal - to psychologically destroy, prevent the planning of fight-backs and to depopulate hence a £10,000 fine for organising a party.

Michael Brown ● 2244d

32 deaths today of people who tested positive for COVID19 in the last 28 days.The last time it was higher than this was on July 14th.Source https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deathsCould be a one off, or an indication of worse to come.Of course if the figures stay low, Michael will say there's no need for restrictions, and if they go into the hundreds Michael will say the figures are fake (or something similar)

Andrew Jones ● 2244d

What did the other 1,470 or so people die of today? Or don't you know? If not, why not?

Michael Brown ● 2244d

False positives, alone, mean that 'covid' is here forever, as per the plan.

Michael Brown ● 2244d

Yes I noticed that Andrew.  As you say could be a one-off possibly caused by some kind of recording error (in a similar way to how 5,000 previously recorded deaths were 'magically' erased from our death toll due to erroneous recording) or or could be a very worrying sign of things to come - the 7 day average death rate will need to be closely monitored.

Adam Beamish ● 2244d

Mate think you got a dodgy batch of meth today! you have completely lost the plot today, the drivel you are coming out with is very disturbing and beyond a joke now. This person is in serious need of help.

James Smith-Jones ● 2244d

I really wish MB would tell me how ruining the economy with, a maybe CovI’d, helps them in any way? Surely things were fine for them before: austerity reducing their debt, everyone working hard and spending as much as they could and almost on happy pills with nightclubs and trips to the sun. If they wanted more control, why not tranquillisers in the drinking water?

Vivienne Cox ● 2244d

Michael, I don't dispute that the number of people who died of causes that had nothing to do with COVID vastly exceeds the figure of 32.I wouldn't dispute some of those people out of that number of 1470 wouldn't have died if the restrictions that have been in place since March as a result of COVID had never been put into place. If the ONS had published a breakdown of the causes of death of the other 1470 people than I might know, but they haven't as far as I know, and I haven't gone looking for it, so I don't know, and that's the reason why.I assume that the number of deaths currently are not significantly different to the average around this time of year. As I have alluded to, I'm fully prepared to believe that if the COVID pandemic had never started the number of daily deaths in the UK currently may have been lower.What I don't believe is any of the 5G conspiracy nonsense you posted.I don't believe that the whole COVID thing is a mass conspiracy that every country in the world is somehow involved in, and that all the world's countries' governments are somehow having their strings pulled by a mysterious elite.I've agreed with the occasional thing you've posted, and have written when that's the case but I believe the vast majority (if not all) of the conspiracy theories you've posted links to are utter tripe.

Andrew Jones ● 2244d

If I remember (and I'm prepared to be corrected) the 5000 or so deaths that were subsequently discounted were those where there had been a previous positive for the virus that causes COVID but they had recovered from COVID (or didn't suffer from it and the test had been more than 28 days prior to death).

Andrew Jones ● 2244d

Start preparing for the second wave. Actually it's not a second wave its just a continuation of the current situation which is out of control again because of the government's relaxation of the lockdown.

Steve Taylor ● 2243d

Thoughts on the statistics from Sweden ?.  No surge in new cases, death rate of 1 per day, never been a lockdown and so forth.Or is that explained by how everyone is more sensible, respectful and law abiding in Sweden, and because their population density is 10 times less than the UK ?.

Adam Beamish ● 2243d

On the population density point, which I have heard others point out, Wikipedia says:"It has a low population density of 25 inhabitants per square kilometre (65/sq mi), with 1 437 persons per km² in localities. 87% of Swedes live in urban areas, which cover 1.5% of the entire land area. The highest concentration is in the central and southern half of the country."So although the overall density is low, it is uneven with most people living in urban areas.

Andy Riley ● 2243d

For the 10th consecutive week, more people have died of the flu than covid in England and Wales:

Michael Brown ● 2243d

Surely we need test 'n' trace for flu, and shut more places down.

Michael Brown ● 2243d

oh come on Brown3rd been waiting all morning and this is all you can come up with, come on you can do better than this nonsense, don't keep us waiting for long

James Smith-Jones ● 2243d

surely we need people like you to wake up and stop spouting your garbage. why don't you go for paddle on the Thames and do us all a favour

James Smith-Jones ● 2243d

hearing your nomination for the nobel prize did not make the short list as it seems you been topped by Trump who talks more Cr@p than you, unlucky, but if you keep going as you have been lately you might have a chance next year.

James Smith-Jones ● 2243d

Oh dear – James is having another go at recycling himself.  This time returning from the rubbish tip as a sheriff trying to form a posse of  “we and us” twerps to chase 5 times Forumer of the Year Michael Brown out of town..Just to remind you James, you're an obscene, semi-educated delinquent and quite obnoxious teenager who created on this site Lizzy Dross to mean Elizabeth Ross and various other nasties for various ladies on here...  Plus crude sub-adolescent (minor public school) names for the lads such as Roger the Todger for our Roger, Wristers (YUK) for a select group of posters and other banal crap you'd expect from a gang of fat spoilt boys from Lower4b returning to school after a rugby match which they lost 64-nil against the local girl's school.What went wrong with your puberty eh?....More thought-provoking profundity later...

Stuart Kerr ● 2243d

James,If you have nothing sensible to say please don't clutter up this forum with your abuse.  The forum is tedious enough to navigate without having your drivel pop up repeatedly.Michael made a reasonable point regarding flu deaths backed up with data. You could counter with arguments but instead you chose more ad hominem attacks. Now go and write out 100 times "I will behave myself on the Chiswick forum or be quiet"

Andy Riley ● 2243d

Yes that's correct Andrew.  I note the death count published today is back down to 8 (and, although I really don't think I should have to state the obvious, that's  awful for the family and friends of those 8 people)Perhaps tomorrow and onwards it'll be 30 or higher, but if it isn't then all this tightening up of restrictions seems a complete over-reaction - it surely stands to reason that the more you restrict people the lower the spread, but unless you completely eradicate covid, then as restrictions are eased then infection rates will increase again.So we tighten up the restrictions again, or god forbid we go into another lockdown, and then what ?.  We come out of it and the process repeats itself over and over again.That's the bit I simply don't understand.  Although as I've always said the obvious alternative to that is mandatory vaccination for everyone.  At which point I'll consider heading to Sweden...

Adam Beamish ● 2243d

And so the pandemic spreads again thanks to the ignorant public and a weak government.  But hey, let’s have a flower market to celebrate our superiority.

Steve Taylor ● 2243d

Was wondering when you and your wrister friends were going to rear your ugly heads. Please feel free to call me what you like but you are showing yourself to be the semi-educated delinquent by defending your good mate Brown3rd. Do carry on making an even bigger dick of yourself by standing up for someone so deluded but I guess it takes one to defend one

James Smith-Jones ● 2243d

Oh James, James....What did you think of  Andy Riley's post about you earlier at 17.15?Is he a "Wrister"?Any update on that?

Stuart Kerr ● 2243d

Oh Stuey, i don’t see this forum as a popularity contest and therefore couldn’t giving a flying f🤪🤪k what Andy Riley let alone yourself or any other of the forum wristers may think about me. Like I said, feel free to continue associating yourself with Brown3rds warp views and make yourself look even more of dick. Happy wristing Stuey but remember it deteriorates your vision!

James Smith-Jones ● 2243d

Now now Brown nose Andy, funny how you seem to always post after Brown3rd and clutter the forum

James Smith-Jones ● 2243d

Oh BTW Brown nose Andy, Brown3rd posts are a big conspiracy which is so far fetched and beyond a joke which is offensive and darn right insensitive to those who have lost loved ones. If you are dumb enough to want to spread his pathetic views please go do it on another sick conspiracy forum with your other sick bozos.

James Smith-Jones ● 2243d

Good night Stupid Kerr

James Smith-Jones ● 2243d

we are not leaving the house, only when nessessary as especially I am shielding. Are this people not scared? I'm lost for words.

Katja Urban ● 2242d

"5 times Forumer of the Year Michael Brown", ummm so who votes for this title then or as I suspect is only the forum wristers who vote behind closed doors over a a pint and biscuit!😉

James Smith-Jones ● 2241d

Many people are shielding and nothing wrong with being careful as so many now have the Virus.

Janice Evans ● 2241d

If you are at risk you should shield. Unfortunately people in Hounslow Borough have been thoughtless and/or selfish  and have not followed the guidance. 7,000 attended the flower market and cafe's were apparently 'heaving' with people grouping and gathering and ignoring social distancing. The people of Chiswick are assisting with the virus spread.

Steve Taylor ● 2241d

Michael Brown ● 2241d

It's alright for her with all that land she has.I'll make do with the occasional foray to the local hostelries and pass the time exercising my 'wrists',not at the same time I hasten to add :-)

Ben Gemmingen ● 2241d

She could be a shill. It's a minefield out there.

Michael Brown ● 2241d

Conspiracy theorists are like, “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...”It’s a government surveillance drone.

James Smith-Jones ● 2241d