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Alternatively if you hadn't those vaccinations ,you might not be here or could have been severely impaired.Chapter 1Diphtheria. In 1940, diphtheria became the first vaccine of the bacteriological age to be offered free to British children on a national scale. It achieved impressive results in its first years, reducing the case load from over 46,000 in 1940 to just 962 in 1950, and deaths from 2,480 to 49.As many as 1 out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children. About 1 child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and can leave the child deaf or with intellectual disability.We analyzed data from hospital admissions and enhanced mumps surveillance to assess mumps complications during the largest mumps outbreak in England and Wales, 2004–2005, and their association with mumps vaccination. When compared with nonoutbreak periods, the outbreak was associated with a clear increase in hospitalized patients with orchitis, meningitis, and pancreatitis. Routine mumps surveillance and hospital data showed that 6.1% of estimated mumps patients were hospitalized, 4.4% had orchitis, 0.35% meningitis, and 0.33% pancreatitis. Enhanced surveillance data showed 2.9% of mumps patients were hospitalized, 6.1% had orchitis, 0.3% had meningitis, and 0.25% had pancreatitis. Risk was reduced for hospitalization (odds ratio [OR] 0.54, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.43–0.68), mumps orchitis (OR 0.72, 95% CI 0.56–0.93) and mumps meningitis (OR 0.28, 95% CI 0.14–0.56) when patient had received 1 dose of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine. The protective effect of vaccination on disease severity is critical in assessing the total effects of current and future mumps control strategies.Polio is an infectious disease caused by a virus. The virus reproduces itself in the gut and can spread easily to the nervous system. It can result in very serious consequences including meningitis, paralysis or death.Before a vaccine was introduced in the 1950s, epidemics would result in up to 7760 cases of paralytic polio in the UK each year, with up to 750 deaths. Once a vaccine was routinely available, cases of polio rapidly fell to very low levels. The last outbreak of polio in the UK was in the late 1970s, and the last case of naturally-occurring polio in the UK was in 1984.Vaccination has eliminated polio in almost all countries in the world. Only three countries still officially have polio circulating in the population: Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria. However, Syria, which was polio-free for 14 years, was re-infected with the virus from Pakistan. Polio cases there have increased as a result of the civil war, which has had a major impact on sanitation and on routine vaccination. Other countries have had a few polio cases in recent years, often linked to war or civil unrest.https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/polio

Ben Gemmingen ● 2251d

Thank you Ben G, but your information has recently been superceded (Nigeria):"It seems like a good time for a bit of good news – after two decades of concerted effort, wild-type polio has been eliminated entirely from Africa. There are now only two countries in the world with endemic wild polio, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Once again, we are on the brink of worldwide polio eradication. The world needs to come together for one final push to eradicate this disease forever.I say 'once again' because we were here 20 years ago, but missed our chance. In 2002 the World Health Organization predicted they could eliminate polio from the last African country, Nigeria, by the end of the year. Then, by 2005, they hoped to eradicate polio from the last countries on Earth, India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. Those hopes were dashed, however, by anti-vaccine rumors spreading in Nigeria.Specifically some Muslim clerics were concerned that the vaccine program was entirely introduced by Westerners whom they did not trust. They spread fears that the vaccine either contained the AIDS virus as a campaign of deliberate infection, or sterilizing agents so that Muslim women could not have children. This led to decreased vaccine compliance, and polio cases in Nigeria skyrocketed from single-digits to over a thousand, eventually spreading to other African nations. It has taken almost two decades to crawl back to where we were in 2002, and now the WHO’s efforts have succeeded in achieving zero cases of wild-type polio in Africa."https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/polio-eliminated-from-africa/[Note the last sentence of the 2nd paragraph]

Richard Cathcart ● 2251d

Plus ca change eh.Coronavirus vaccine: lessons from the 19th-century smallpox anti-vaxxer movementThe 19th-century invention of vaccination created a new national imperative for the UK to combat endemic smallpox. The risk of dying from smallpox for those who contracted it was substantially higher than that for COVID-19 today. Survivors gained immunity but often at the cost of physical scarring and long-term health problems.Vaccination and subsequent elimination should have been a no-brainer. Yet local and regional outbreaks persisted across the 19th century.Governments of this period assumed (sometimes incorrectly) that the middle-classes would realise the value of vaccination. The poor and marginal were different. For them, mass compulsory vaccination awaited.The result was an explosive atmosphere. Rumours of deaths after vaccination and of the rounding up of the poor like animals generated a sustained popular backlash, with some organising under the umbrella of the National Anti-Vaccination League..............Nor should we forget that vaccination opponents spread rumours about and caricatured vaccines and vaccinators, undermining the credibility of the system in the public imagination. These included one cartoon from the 1880s in which helpless children are shovelled into the mouth of a diseased cow while, at the other end, a doctor portrayed as the devil incarnate shovels dead children excreted by the cow into a cart bound for mass graves.https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-vaccine-lessons-from-the-19th-century-smallpox-anti-vaxxer-movement-143375

Ben Gemmingen ● 2251d

There is a distinction to be drawn between those who are against all vaccination in principle and those who have reservations about the Covid-19 vaccines being developed.I believe the former are generally wrong on the grounds that the benefits of vaccines are empirically verifiable and the risk somewhat known.It is a very different matter with Covid-19. There are several current candidates in development and testing, some of these using technology untried on humans:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_vaccination#Adverse_effects"DNA vaccination is a technique for protecting against disease by injection with genetically engineered plasmid containing the DNA sequence encoding the antigen(s) against which an immune response is sought, so cells directly produce the antigen, causing a protective immunological responseSeveral DNA vaccines have been tested for veterinary use.[1] In some cases, protection from disease in animals has been obtained, in others not.[1] As of August 2016 no DNA vaccines had been approved in the US for human use"The development schedule is significantly compressed:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine"Geopolitical issues, safety concerns for vulnerable populations, and manufacturing challenges for producing billions of doses are compressing schedules to shorten the standard vaccine development timeline, in some cases combining clinical trial steps over months, a process typically conducted sequentially over years"'In the haste to provide a vaccine on a rapid timeline for the COVID‑19 pandemic, developers and governments are accepting a high risk of "short-circuiting" the vaccine development process,[33] with one industry executive saying: "The crisis in the world is so big that each of us will have to take maximum risk now to put this disease to a stop" 'So an industry with an expectation of massive profits is telling us that we all have to accept risk that is likely to be in the sort term unquantifiable.  I can think of one measure that may help to persuade me that they have our best interests at heart and that is for all of those promoting Covid-19 vaccine to demonstrate to the rest of us that they have each taken it.There is still debate around the level of population immunity already achieved.  The mainstream thinking (e.g. SAGE, ICL) adheres to the view that the level is something like 60%-70%, there are other immunologists and epidemiologists who claim the level is much lower and in some places has been achieved.  If the latter is the case there is no need for general vaccination.  Additionally, the cases and deaths data for recent weeks in many countries shows that while cases are increasing (most likely due to increased testing) the death rate is practically zero.  And this is while restrictions have loosened and none of the events that some were hyperventilating about (beaches, BLM, pubs opening etc) have led to deaths increase - look at the seven day rolling average curve - it is a smoothish downward slope from the peak in April. Until now, vaccination has always been strongly encouraged but not mandatory.  There is a potential threat to our civil liberties if vaccination is made a condition of access to services and travel by way of some sort of immunity certificate.  I'm curious about how contributors to this forum would feel about this?

Andy Riley ● 2250d

AR: "Until now, vaccination has always been strongly encouraged but not mandatory.  There is a potential threat to our civil liberties if vaccination is made a condition of access to services and travel by way of some sort of immunity certificate.  I'm curious about how contributors to this forum would feel about this?"As yet there is no indication that vaccination will be mandatory. Nor does it need to be to be effective, that is, if enough people take it up voluntarily then that should do the trick. Which is why the anti-vaxxers are so damned dangerous - they only need to persuade a section of the population to believe their insane conspiracy theories for the voluntary efforts of the rest of us to be negated.As for vaccination being eg a condition of travelling, fact is, airlines may refuse to allow people on board for a variety of reasons as it is, the requirement for a medical certificate is just another one. So if you don't like it, try another airline; take the ferry; or forego your trip i.e. two weeks holiday in Spain is not an inalienable human right. P.S. You refer to "an industry [Big Pharma] with an expectation of massive profits", but Vaccination has never been profitable business for the industry, for a whole host of reasons. Which is why such work invariably has to be funded by governments and charities etc.This will need to be the case with Covid-19, where governments will also be the customer. Therefore we must trust that they will drive a hard bargain, for in the West at least, it would be political suicide for governments to pay companies excessive sums to develop expensive medicines that in turn are costing the country (taxpayer) far more than they should.Moreover, governments will be competing over this - it would hardly look good in the eyes of the British voter if eg France or Germany were buying vaccines noticeably cheaper than we are.

Richard Cathcart ● 2250d