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Releasing Lockdown

Anyone else seen the pics of Soho tonight on Twitter?  Crowds cheek by jowl. OMG.

Claire Moran ● 2312d47 Comments

Plague enthusiasts out in force.

Ben Halloren ● 2312d

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Richard Kay ● 2312d

Oh well, here comes the second wave due to crowds of pissheads.

N V Brooks ● 2312d

Where are the police? Where are the “responsible landlords”. Where are the councils?More importantly, where has caring for others and personal responsibility gone?Down the drain it seems.I thought when the fear of the virus struck our society 12 weeks ago, we’d come out as a better and more caring society.Sadly, I think I was wrong.

Richard Kay ● 2312d

Worry not, our illustrious 'son of a bus driver' Mayor is responding by slashing police budgets and cutting the number of front line officers (while failing to control his office and staff costs)!

N V Brooks ● 2312d

NV. With deepest respect, let’s not turn this one into a political gig. Of course, if you want to.......I’m talking about responsibility. Civi duty. Caring. Not being selfish. Thinking of others.

Richard Kay ● 2312d

And many of these people are on furlough or grants. Paid by the government. Paid by us.I despair. Cnuts!

Richard Kay ● 2312d

From Twitter just now (courtesy of the Mirror):- Pubs in towns forced to close early after 'major disorder' on Super SaturdayPolice officers have descended on the Nottinghamshire towns of Mansfield and Sutton-in-Ashfield, arresting several people, with reports of another fight in Brentwood, EssexPubs in towns forced to close early after 'major disorder' on Super SaturdayPolice officers have descended on the Nottinghamshire towns of Mansfield and Sutton-in-Ashfield, arresting several people, with reports of another fight in Brentwood, Essex this eveningSpecial Inspector Steve Weaver tweeted: "That didn't last long. Disturbance in Brentwood High street assisted other units. 4 people arrested. 2 of my team have arrested and are currently on the way to custody."The Copt Oak has closed in Narborough, Leicestershire, this evening after an arrest on the premises.The Jug & Glass in Mansfield Woodhouse, near Mansfield, and The Swan and The Ravensdale, in Mansfield, have shut, according to the Mansfield Chad.The Devonshire and the Nag’s Head in Sutton-in-Ashfield are also closed, the newspaper reports.The Jug & Glass in Mansfield Woodhouse has closedSoho 'like a petri dish' as Super Saturday drinkers 'ignore social distancing rules'The Ravensdale posted on its Facebook page: "Due to irresponsible behaviour we are closed until further notice... thank you to everyone who supported us on our first day of opening... hope to see you soon."Just to make it clear to everyone.. it was MY decision to close the pub for my staff's health and safety."No one has closed us down only me."It comes as drinkers packed into pubs and bars in Central London - with pictures showing the streets of Soho rammed as some revellers appear to ignore social distancing rules.

Claire Moran ● 2312d

With respect Claire, quoting news articles possibly doesn’t help the arguement. We can all read the news.

Richard Kay ● 2312d

Well, a lot of people don't seem to, Richard. Hence the people on here who gaily support the lifting of lockdown so widely and so early while hundreds are still dying here every week, think we can rely on common sense of the Brits and then go conspicuously quiet when the deaths plateau (as they are now) or rise (as they may well do).  Personally, I prefer to trust the news rather than the opinions of many on here which seem to be based on no facts whatsoever.

Claire Moran ● 2312d

That’s all well and good, Claire, but it depends how we evaluate (assuming we do) what we read. For example, someone has apparently read that our Mayor is the son of a bus driver and presents this information - I don’t know why - as some kind of failing on the part of the Mayor. Weird. What anyone makes of the father of our previous Mayor is another issue altogether.

Beryl Wall ● 2312d

Claire mentions hundreds dying here every week. I look every day at the deaths and see this, but all I hear is that we have it under control. It seems like the daily figures dont count anymore. Frightening!!

Nicholas Beard ● 2312d

Pay attention, Beryl.The son of a bus driver likes to tout that fact while simultaneously not giving a damn about the safety of TfL bus drivers. One of many inconsistencies between his words and deeds.And to say it's not political is odd. Why are we watching Stanley Johnson getting to Greece through some back door and Mr. Cummings doing as he damn well pleases? Neither party has led by example. So no real surprise when crowds come together to revel.

David Lesniak ● 2312d

The same doom-mongering predictions that we've seen for two months. VE Day, BLM protests, people flocking to the beach. No sign of a spike, only steady decline in infections and deaths.Some people won't be happy until there's a second wave just so they can say, 'I told you so'.

Susan Kelly ● 2312d

Doom mongering predictions is it Susan, you tell that to the thousands of families who have lost loved ones. If someone had told you six months ago that 30 to 60 people would die everyday due to an infection, you would be ok with that. Honestly? some people on here are blind and I sincerely hope I am wrong about a 2nd and 3rd wave but when it happens I hope you will all take a good look at yourselves and think about how your actions to go out and get pi££Ed up and even protest may lead to another family burying a loved one in the coming weeks and months or will you just blame it on someone else. I am livid.

James Smith-Jones ● 2312d

Mortality statistics for England and Wales can be found here:https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwalesFor week 25:year 2020 - 9,339year 2019 - 9,4585 year average - 9,404Deaths involving Covid-19 - 623Which suggests that the Covid deaths are displacing deaths that would have occurred anyway due to some other respiratory condition.Feel free to ignore the actual data and continue to be petrified by scary MSM stories.

Andy Riley ● 2312d

The fact is that there are still hundreds of Covid deaths in the UK every week.  I can’t believe how many fools still believe the government when it says the lockdown can be eased.

Steve Taylor ● 2312d

Sense at last, but stats won't help the hysterical brainwashed braindead of Chiswick. They WANT to be locked up and muzzled under the covid scam... forever

Michael Brown ● 2312d

The fact is that there are 10,000 deaths in the UK every week.  I can’t believe how many fools still believe the government when it says risk of death cannot be reduced to zero.

Andy Riley ● 2312d

Thanks Andy, that’s useful information but perhaps better to look at the peak:  Week 3rd April 6,082 extra deaths,     10th April 7,994,   17th April 11,854,   24th April  11,539 and so on.  So in four weeks in April alone there were 37,469 extra deaths.Feel free to cherry pick from the actual data.

Viv Griffiths ● 2312d

Thanks Andy, that’s useful information but perhaps better to look at the peak:  Week 3rd April 6,082 extra deaths,     10th April 7,994,   17th April 11,854,   24th April  11,539 and so on.  So in four weeks in April alone there were 37,469 extra deaths.Feel free to cherry pick from the actual data.

Viv Griffiths ● 2312d

Viv,I was responding to Nicholas' post:"Claire mentions hundreds dying here every week. I look every day at the deaths and see this, but all I hear is that we have it under control. It seems like the daily figures dont count anymore. Frightening!!"Which, I think is referring to the current situation. I was using the data to show that it is arguably under control.I think your argument would be that we must be cautious to avoid returning to the April situation - I agree.  As I have indicated several times on this forum I advocate continuing precautions but not to the extent of returning to lock down for whole cities.Looking back at the posts on this forum and MSM reporting there has been a pattern that whenever there is a major breach of the rules there is fear of "spike" or "second wave".  The data does not show this:https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/(use the 7 day moving average to smooth the spikes which are due to reporting constraints)

Andy Riley ● 2312d

What is frightening about this post is some are dealing with the death numbers as “just” a figure,oh look 45k have died and now it is down to only a hundred or so a week, FFS these are people whose lives were taken away from them in the most cruel way and I know someone who woke up one morning went out for his exercise walk and by 7pm was dead, never given a chance to say goodbye to his wife and kids, oh don’t mind him, there must have been something else wrong with him, just another number, which incidentally he was not an official “number” that died from the virus as far as the official statics are concerned as he was never given a test. Don’t be such a paranoid James some seem to be saying. When, god forbid, this touches you personally, you will see for yourself how destructive this horrendous virus can be and for me missing out out on a few pints with my mates down the pub or a dinner out in a restaurant, which I am missing, is a sacrifice I am prepared to make if it means one less potential family having to go through picking up their destroyed lives.I care for other people’s lives. Please treat those who have suffered with dignity rather than a number you feel happy to just copy and paste on here, have some decency. So much for the new friendlier world post coved.

James Smith-Jones ● 2312d

I am not afraid of dying. However, I am very afraid of putting someone else’s life in danger.  For this reason I am prepared to wear a mask in confined spaces such as shops.  I am prepared to curb my trips out. I am prepared to keep my distance and move aside to allow other people to pass by safely.  It appears that those who have died are just numbers or statistics to many people.

Alina Danford ● 2311d

"The fact is that there are 10,000 deaths in the UK every week.  I can’t believe how many fools still believe the government when it says risk of death cannot be reduced to zero."I rest my case about fools!  What a stupid comparison.

Steve Taylor ● 2311d

"Please treat those who have suffered with dignity rather than a number you feel happy to just copy and paste on here, have some decency. So much for the new friendlier world post coved."I totally agree.

Steve Taylor ● 2311d

Totally agree Alina. Forget about the idiots who claim "doom-mongering "

Steve Taylor ● 2311d

Interestingly the spike in Florida are people 25-35 so all bars have been closed again. I fear the same will happen here looking at the disgusting behaviour yesterday, they just don’t get it!

Jayne Thorburn ● 2311d

It's the fact that so many have died unnecessarily that is so shocking and I hate to see the numbers and the virus being minimised as it dishonours the lost lives.

Viv Griffiths ● 2311d

If you haven’t got your head around the deception involved with the covid scam yet, think back and understand the deception used through fake planes on 9/11:

Michael Brown ● 2311d

“ I fear the same will happen here looking at the disgusting behaviour yesterday, they just don’t get it!”I hope it gets through to this government that the British public are too thick or too selfish to care about the spreading of the virus. You can’t give these morons an inch. Pubs and restaurants must be closed again until there is a vaccine. Far too many people are still dying because of the government’s mishandling of the situation.

Steve Taylor ● 2311d

What is people refuse to have it even when it arrives?  Or an effective vaccine is never found?Does the Government continue to support the wages of all the employees in the hospitality or service sector forever?

James Carter ● 2311d

It is incredibly hard and a massive challenge to open back up, perhaps they should close bars for another month but leave restaurants open at least people are eating whilst drinking. Totally agree so many people are ignorant and selfish. According to medical people the  virus is mutating and not as strong as the early days, hospital admissions well down as is the use of ICU beds, better treatments so let’s just pray they are right.

Jayne Thorburn ● 2311d

Seeing the reports on Sky today of the appalling 4th July celebrations in the US as well as the Trump rally yesterday - no masks, no social distancing, stupid people asserting their 'rights' to not to be told to not do or do anything, and US medics predicting horrendous fallout as a result in terms of COVID deaths in the US in the next two weeks and doubling after a month, I hope the UK keeps quarantine restrictions on anyone who comes into this country who has lived in the US (and Latin America) in the last month no matter what route they take into Europe/the UK

Claire Moran ● 2311d

The latest is that Bubonic plague appears to have been found in China.

Nicholas Beard ● 2311d

Are you going to blame that on Boris as well?

Paul Fisher ● 2311d

A medical person told me the Leicester spike is perfectly timed for the end of Ramadan, obviously the garment factories hasn’t helped, a perfect local storm, can’t blame Boris for that either

Jayne Thorburn ● 2311d

"What is people refuse to have it even when it arrives?  Or an effective vaccine is never found?Does the Government continue to support the wages of all the employees in the hospitality or service sector forever?"1./ Let them die2./  An effective vaccine will be found - its just a matter of time.3./ No

Steve Taylor ● 2311d

"A medical person told me the Leicester spike is perfectly timed for the end of Ramadan" The rate of new cases in Leicester grew steadily during the first few weeks of Ramadan, but declined during the last week of Ramadan, which ended on 23 May. The second wave started about 2 weeks later, but in reality Leicester had never closed down the first wave. It looks as if it's now declining, but the Leicester daily average is still around 50, compared with Hounslow at around 2. (Hounslow has a population of about one-third that of Leicester.) This chart shows the daily new cases in Leicester, with a 7-day average line in red. I've added the Hounslow average line in black for comparison. That sort of chart wasn't possible until a few days ago when Public Health England finally managed to publish the full extent of new cases (positive results from all tests, not just those done in hospitals). The communication of test results to local authorities and local NHS units has been appalling.

Richard Jennings ● 2310d

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-famous-911-photo-dies-covid-19-florida-71612461

Steve Taylor ● 2310d

Richard great data and demonstrates how important it is for people to behave responsibly otherwise the wider community is punished by a selfish few.

Jayne Thorburn ● 2310d

"And I am not frightened of dyingAny time will do, I don't mindWhy should I be frightened of dying?There's no reason for itYou've gotta go sometime"Off to The Great Gig in the Sky.

Richard Greenhough ● 2310d

Next year - asteroid heading for Earth with Kanye West as POTUS to deal with it.

Chris Blackwell ● 2310d

"with Kanye West"Who's she?

Steve Taylor ● 2310d

"The lunatic is on the grassThe lunatic is on the grassRemembering games and daisy chains and laughsGot to keep the loonies on the path"

Steve Taylor ● 2310d

I would expect him to do a better job of dealing with it than the present incumbent.

Richard Greenhough ● 2310d

"I've got a bike. You can ride it if you like.It's got a basket, a bell that rings andThings to make it look good.I'd give it to you if I could, but I borrowed it."

Richard Greenhough ● 2310d