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Agreed, Janice, but the visitors are the concern in terms of providing them easy access to promote good word of mouth and repeat business. If parking is removed and then further stressed by having new traders take up the reduced number of spaces not much is left for those wishing to visit a new amenity. Perhaps a different location. Sainsbury car park comes to mind and perhaps a deal could be struck akin to the deal the car boot sale has with Chiswick School. If there is a financial benefit for Sainsbury they might see things differently.I've also long thought the space under the A4 at the roundabout by the Citroen dealer would be a great place for something like this. It is vast and it is covered so rain-proof. Provisions for parking might be available with B&Q. Enough people would come to an event like this in a car. Either as a group or an individual looking to make a bulk purchase in quantity or size. Just look at folks at the Columbia Road market. Not all of them have cargo bikes. It is also about providing multiple forms of easy access to all. Not excluding possibilities. I think it appropriate to offer an open invitation to local flower shops and stalls as well as to the Dukes Meadow market. Check in with them on a regular basis to see how they might be impacted. And if it is negative in any way, they have an available spot to participate no questions asked. Also, if you're going to offer food, then local traders should be given the first right of refusal. Again, the trickle down doesn't always trickle. It might give venues the chance to promote new recipes, for example.

David Lesniak ● 2449d

Outside the car park by the George 1V is the proposed site.Other suggestions were made such as food and vintage clothes by quite rightly the folk driving the proposal want to focus on flowers to begin with.There were two chartered surveyors there specializing in commercial property and what they had to say was most interesting.Firstly Landlords were really struggling as rents had fallen 30% over the last few years and some has been forced to take a huge drop in rent just to get a tenant.Secondly it came to light that what you see as being the rent paid may not be what actually is the case.I only got a sniff of this but what I could make out is that "letters" are exchanged between landlord and tenant that agree a private agreement which effectively lowers the amount actually paid.If true this would have the effect of misleading anyone wanting to agree a new rent by means of comparables of similar outlets and therefore keeping rents artificially high.Again if true as one lady said, the RICS should have a moral duty to come down on this practice hard.Lastly the very sensible suggestion was made for Chiswick  tenants to form a group which could openly exchange information on what rent they were paying which would greatly help to get a true picture of the range of figures being paid rather than jut the high ones that may be presented to them by the landlord when it come to a rent review.In my Central London residential experience this already happens in a well organised and fair way greatly helping an agent to get a good handle on what is actually being achieved.I am all for having a go at this and feel confident there are some good people driving it.

Adrian Irving ● 2444d

"There would be disabled parking provision nearby, apparently"If the presenters are to be believed, in the end, nothing should be labelled "apparently." Info should be robustly investigated, analyzed and presented. I trust Ollie will do so.With regard to the parking at George IV, it would appear all of the parking will be used. As it is a one way system, placing the market at the entrance blocks access to the remaining spaces (roughly 20) in front of the police station near the Linden Gardens exit. The drawings shared suggest that. I appreciate it is early days for those involved. Using Ollie's logic, that would mean all of those spaces would not be made accessible for two rounds of parking. Combined with the loss of single-yellow parking along CHR once CS9 is implemented, on these Sundays, all existing spaces will not be available twice. That's approximately 300 parking opportunities erased for CHR residents and businesses. There is no contingency nor offset. Speaking as a trader who has also done these types of markets for the past 15 years, I can tell you it is not easy driving through a crowded market as is sometimes required depending on site conditions. It is dangerous. It is excruciatingly slow. It is not fit for purpose. Asking the public to do this to access remote spaces not utilized by the proposal is not tenable. If it is to have a chance at thriving, I don't think it best to maintain access directly through the market. I believe it would be beneficial to investigate potential for public parking nearby. If it were on council land then charge a fiver for the day with funds going to maintain the land as required. Ditto private if it were the likes of Sainsbury.Karen said herself she drove to Columbia Road. And she's a cyclist. Plenty of people will want choose to do the same. The Columbia Road website has info on where to park nearby facilitating the largest group of road users arrival and participation not to mention lugging home larger purchases if you've come from further away than W4 which appears to be the goal. Promotional material should include info on how to arrive by car and where to park nearby. By ignoring and eliminating it altogether is cutting off the nose to spite the face.As was mentioned last night, if the District is not running, how will people arrive? Ollie acknowledged correctly fewer people would come on days like that yet there was no input on alternate means of getting here. Uber? That won't exactly help with congestion. Separately I would be focusing on what types of stalls if any are to be used. Many times residents adjacent to markets will complain about set-up noise. Available info on Columbia Road indicates set-up begins at 4am. I cannot speak to that fact, but it is information available. Either way, pop-up canopies are relatively silent. The more traditional market stalls are loose pieces of steel which typically get tossed around clanging on the ground which gives those nearby ammunition to file complaints. Some of our markets have had trading hours reduced as a result of these types of set-ups.

David Lesniak ● 2444d

"What would you do to revitalise CHR?"Hi Helen. And hello, Haters.As you've said, you don't usually post on the forum, but I've mentioned many things over time. I will start with one that I know is shared by Ed Seaton:"Imagine if we could close King Street/ CHR completely to motorised traffic using it to bypass the A4/ A40 on journeys in and out of London. And make the residential streets, filtered quiet low traffic neighbourhoods"As to how this would actually work I'm not sure. But I think the current plans for CS9 are devoid of urban design discipline and, as such, circumvent a notion such as this. As to the existing CS9 design, I have often said I don't think it goes far enough - again, to Ed's point. I think the plan should be more visionary. I think it should allow for wider pavement (not at the expense of improved cycle infrastructure) and places for greening as well as places to gather. Sadly, it does none of those. With current proposals for large scale residential projects in the pipeline which would bring more people to the High Road, increased population makes these issues even more urgent. I have said that I consider King Street and CHR to be one and the same and efforts should be made to unite those working behind the scenes. I have actually made that effort. A plan such as this has the potential to completely re-invent the High Road and thus revitalize it. I think it falls short for being myopic.This idea would need to consider the many residential and business deliveries which are ever increasing given modern life styles. I know Hammersmith is looking at delivery hubs, but no details have emerged. Why isn't Hounslow looking at this??? I'm not sure how the myriad sources for businesses would plug into such a network. Think of it this way: every restaurant or cafe has similar yet not the same sources. So if there are 12 cafes you can expect at least 12 different coffee suppliers delivering to what is, ostensibly, one business model. And that's just one item on the supply list. How would all that traffic be consolidated into one hub vs how it is now being distributed up and down the High Road daily?And yes, I have spoken of parking. Other areas have better parking infrastructure for businesses. I don't believe cars are going anywhere soon. With advancements and regulations increasing for electric vehicles, I believe we will see more of them, not less. It might mean the same number of vehicles on the road only less of them petrol-powered. This, to some degree, addresses emissions issues but the arrival and departure by car would still need to be addressed. Hammersmith has parking. Brentford has parking. Chiswick will have less parking than it does now and less than either of those areas mentioned. That does not bode well for Chiswick, its residents, its businesses and its visitors. If visits to Chiswick aren't facilitated, especially for the largest percentage of road users - drivers - they will simply go elsewhere.I have spoken about zoning. There are plenty similarities with Main Street USA revitalization efforts. Ground floors should be limited to commercial enterprises, preferably those that bring continuous footfall to the area throughout the day. With shop hours often finishing at 6pm, that doesn't do much for generating energy for the evening economy. I think current retail shop hours are out of sync with how we live and yet retail in Chiswick pretty much closes at 6pm just when people might be inclined to go out for a quick shop. Maybe one night a week everything should stay open late. Westfield is open til 10pm with easy, safe and secure access. Chiswick is open til 6pm (other than restaurants many of which now deliver) and has catalytic converters stolen out of cars. The cinema will help enormously with this type of activity. Upper floors, particularly in older buildings, should be converted from office to residential. These buildings are, in a sense, no longer fit for purpose with regard to today's business infrastructure requirements so upgrading them to that standard is not easy nor prudent. Converting it back to residential (which I believe many of the spaces used to be) would be far easier and cost-effective from a developer's point of view. I think LBH made an enormous mistake with the MetroBank building. Aesthetics aside, that building should have been required to match existing buildings in terms of height. It should have required upper floors to contain flats, privately-owned or let. Any development within the CHR zone should be held to a consistent standard. That real estate now dies when the doors close. It should remain alive around the clock.Rents and rates remain a persistent issue, sadly. Rate relief has been granted and it can also be challenged but the trader has to shoulder that cost for correcting something that the government should be revising. That should be on every council's agenda annually until the issue improves. It is not. Rents may be (and I stress may be) beginning to show signs of improvement. But as it stands, these issues are chronic. So when I see initiatives that tie the hands of traders behind their backs - and they come fast and furious along with increased wages, increased licensing fees, increased rates, increased rents, increased supply costs - there are only so many ways traders can accommodate and only so many times costs can be passed on to consumers. And only so many times traders can "eat" them. To increase footfall you have to increase population density and access. And yet Chiswick remains in isolation to the entire Santander bike network which is expanding. Just not here. I once contacted them and asked why there was no rack in Chiswick thinking the enormous pavement outside ours would be an ideal location. But no, no demand. I was chastised when I said any cycle infrastructure plan should automatically include expanding this network. Told there were no funds to do so. Aside from the millions and millions of pounds (perhaps billions now) )being spent, this piddly line item was ignored. And now we find out there is money in the pot to expand the network. Just not here. And parking is set to be severely reduced. At a precarious time when traders need all the people they can get to generate footfall and, hopefully, capture their custom. I have advocated for a sustainable solution to these problems, one that could be easily and cheaply revised as the demands of the road network evolve. One that could allow for parking and, if it should subside, could easily be converted into public amenity. And it is one that allows for a cycle lane substantially safer than CS9 proposed because it eliminates "dooring" which CS9 does not.I hope that helps explain some of my position.But I have yet to determine why questions and suggestions let alone robust debate are misconstrued as criticism and  being "anti." And I have yet to determine the efficacy of debasing those who are curious to know more about what gets proposed. I have yet to determine why my trade and my nationality are sometimes weaponized against me, as if a mere baker has no say nor any brain. What possibly could an American know? Apparently 15 years of trading in markets is akin to one singular Google search for Herne Hill. I do know this, though, that kind of behavior - the sophomoric bullying and trolling - fosters "us" vs "them" and a senseless class system which stands in the way of progress whatever the goal.But hey, I only wanted CS9 to be better. I only offered insight to assist those planning the Flower Market. What a stupid American baker am I.

David Lesniak ● 2443d

"I only wanted CS9 to be better"If only you had had the foresight to share your vision from the beginning instead of your completely contradictory, ill-informed and inflammatory response to the consultation (copied below) never mind all the other things you've had to say about it subsequently. Things could have turned out differently. You might not have ended up tying your fortunes so closely to those of Councillor Biddolph and other people might have been more interested in working with you on a bigger vision. But it's too late for that now. This has nothing to do with the flower market. That you choose to write such a lengthy note about the cycle path in response to an open question about what you would do to improve the High Road should give you pause for thought and help you to understand why people might be circumspect about your motivations and those of your close associates with regards to schemes that have nothing to do with cycle paths.Outsider Tart (Chiswick High Road, W4 2EF)Strongly opposed the proposalsIn their response to consultation, the bakery opposed changes to parking restrictions, which it stated would negatively affect businesses and residents along the route. They stated that removal of single yellow lines would remove loading for businesses and residents, and that the introduction of parking controls on Sundays and 6-8pm on evenings would remove the opportunity for customers to stop and collect goods from businesses on the route. They raised concern that the route would cost £70m and would only benefit cyclists who do not contribute financially to use the road. They raised concern that cyclists are not licensed, and that the police therefore cannot enforce against anti-social / unlawful behaviour by cyclists. They raised concerns that faster cyclists would not use the cycle track if this was blocked by slower cyclists, and would not be punished for doing so.The business raised concerns that relocating a bus stop on Chiswick High Road east of Chiswick Lane could result in buses blocking back in an already-congested location. They also expressed concern that the kerb radii at the junction of Chiswick Lane were too severe to allow lorries to turn left from Chiswick Lane onto Chiswick High Road, and that reducing the width of turnings into side streets generally would compromise access for larger vehicles like delivery lorries and refuse collection trucks.They raised concern that information presented at consultation was conflicting, not easily accessible and referenced information which was not available. They also raised concerns that their business did not receive notification of the consultation or any visit from a TfL representative.Representatives from the Outsider Tart also raised a number of other points in subsequent emails and a meeting following consultation.

Paul Campbell ● 2443d

Thank you, Paul, for your comments.Along with many in Chiswick (of which I am a resident and business owner) I was not made aware of the "public" consultation except by word of mouth. The route is two meters outside our window and somehow TFL and LBH couldn't figure out a way to properly engage with businesses. Good to know, though, that the cycle fraternity from well outside W4 were in on it all along. Do they pay rates here? Do they even know the first thing about CHR? I thought not. Upon learning of the scheme not to mention TFL tactics and strategy for responding to consultations I researched what I could prior to formulating a response to meet the deadline. Subsequently I kept researching the myriad issues that face the High Road. With respect to cycling I was on a steep learning curve. Something people like you can never appreciate nor acknowledge nor help with. So people like me persist to find facts and navigate the rhetoric. As my knowledge and opinion evolved I let that be known. So it is interesting you choose to completely ignore that fact and go back to square one. There is no such thing as a bad question. There is no shame in ignorance. Or maybe you berate your children when they ask Daddy to explain something. I dunno. But there is shame in not making an effort to understand as many sides of this equation as is possible. Something you have yet to demonstrate. The issue is far more complex than cycling and climate change. Hell, you guys can't even agree if trees are important or not. Plant 'em. Mow 'em down. It's all the same to you.

David Lesniak ● 2442d