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High Road Task Force

What has happened to the Task Force which was set up 18 months ago? Some comments here about getting behind local councillors which is spot on but I can't find out what has been happening.  Worrying to walk down CHR and Devonshire Road on Saturday, and to then go to Hammersmith where there was a huge Christmas market and a vibrancy I have not felt here for years. It was reported on this website in July 2018  that they were drawing up an action plan with local businesses. The campaign had four major priorities;- influencing policy makers, nationally and locally, to ensure that policies support, rather than hinder, our independent retailers- explaining to landlords and agents that huge leaps in rent drive out independents and are changing Chiswick’s shopping streets and character for ever- guiding businesses looking to set up shop in Chiswick on how to make a success of it- persuading residents and visitors to change their behaviour and put independent shopping on their shopping lists.I am a surveyor and offered to help with a Tenants' Club to share info and make sure rents that were agreed were fair.  No response.   Surely things like the refusal on the consent for the new use at the Bread Shop should not have happened if the first priority had been actioned? The Government are keen to help saying "But in order to evolve successfully, high streets must meet the needs of their local community and the key to this is strong local leadership."Why aren't things like Christmas markets (as in Hammersmith), shop local campaigns (as in Ealing) and other ideas being brought in?  Do residents and traders need to join up better to get things done? There are a lot of talented people in W4

Ollie Saunders ● 2523d104 Comments

"Why aren't things like Christmas markets (as in Hammersmith), shop local campaigns (as in Ealing) and other ideas being brought in? Do residents and traders need to join up better to get things done? There are a lot of talented people in W4"Ollie, in both Hammersmith and Ealing BIDs are in operation with backing from larger corporations/businesses/entities which we do not have here in Chiswick. As mentioned previously, Chiswick Business Park operates its own fiefdom. After that, there is no large stakeholder involved in the High Street. Also in both cases there is additional business infrastructure sorely lacking in Chiswick and set to be reduced further by CS9. If you want to build a destination you need to facilitate it. Reducing parking will, ostensibly, cancel out much of the initiative (both Hammersmith and Ealing benefit from parking at their respective malls). A bit like blathering on about pollution but not extending the ULEZ zone past the primary school or building a third runway after building a cycle lane. Electioneering I think its called. The BID proposal floated by Steve Curran was to combine Chiswick, Isleworth and Feltham, if memory serves, with funds being controlled by LBH. Mind you the state of financial affairs and obfuscation by LBH cabinet on these matters is extremely concerning. In theory, Chiswick businesses would be compelled to contribute to a fund over which they have no control and said funds could be diverted well beyond W4. Hammersmith and Ealing BIDS are controlled by stakeholders. Essentially, they are set up as a local business with officers who are from the community and know it intimately. Most compelling, though, is your idea of getting both residents and businesses involved. It would go a long way toward understanding what's needed to help revive High Streets which are ailing everywhere. Rather than the idle criticism and lack of due diligence posing as knowledge (Hi Paul), it would require dedication and effort to dissect the issues before attempting to re-invent and re-energize the local High Street. I'd encourage you to read the Parliamentary Report on High Streets 2030 to begin to understand the myriad forces at play.

David Lesniak ● 2522d

Who is the fairest of them all?Actually, Paul, had you engaged with Joanna you would know it is precisely safe cycling she is campaigning for. But CS9 is not a safe proposition as determined by TfL's own guidelines as well as that of best international standards. Many people have spent far too much time trying to reconcile the disparity between what TfL says and does. Ditto the Mayor (shame on Uber but hey, ho, let's let them continue driving even though Khan claims to be concerned about rider safety cause there is no better way to discipline a child than to let them do as they wish without limit). Ditto LBH (let's penalize a local business for using a bike as an A-board but let's not penalize an international business for using their bikes all over the place as A-boards - one pays rates, guess which one).Despite Jo's best efforts and that of other councillors, residents and businesses, LBH Cabinet have opted to turn a blind eye to these safety shortcomings. That will leave them open to liability in case of, say, a head-on collision between cyclists on a poorly-designed bi-directional cycle lane (CS3 anyone? Anyone at all? Just check the videos online). And an open-ended liability will ultimately threaten other out-going council costs which will then come back to all rate payers when the budget shortfall continues to grow as it has under current LBH cabinet leadership. It is not prudent investment to spend so much money for so little gain, let alone an ill-conceived one. I think you'd find more folks willing to support the initiative if it had been done more openly, more constructively and more holistically taken into consideration all the factors influencing the literal and figurative elements of High Street health. Joanna has taken it upon herself to ride with Karen (Karen opted to mock that effort), Jo has delved deep into TfL and other pertinent literature (something you refuse to do with respect to the state of affairs on the High Street) and she has met with others from councils far and wide (like you just did in Waltham Forest - perhaps you would find common ground there?) to discern both positives and negatives of the CS9 scheme. I'm sure it is frustrating for you given your passion for cycling, but to turn a blind eye to a dangerous scheme and then anticipate your children using it comes across as disingenuous if not fool hardy.To me it is frustrating to see businesses ignored by local and city government. And as someone with a passion for urban design and street life, it is sad to see such a charming patch be disrupted by something so poorly conceived and designed aesthetically. It's a bit Brexit-y in that no one can tell you it will be better than it is now but anyone with half a brain can see it won't be aesthetically pleasing nor an urban realm improvement. Look at any other cycle lane in the city. Acres of tarmac replaced pavers. Kerbing here, there and everywhere, armadillo thingies, cycle lane up, cycle lane down, cycle lane all around trees and lamp posts - it isn't design. It's box ticking. Nothing more. I didn't know much about the safety issues admittedly, but I dug a little and then watched others who know far more dig even deeper and still come up short. When designing something of merit that is a red flag to pursue another option which is all anyone ever really asked. Steve Curran promised a facilitation session with TfL. Ruth Cadbury promised better consultation with businesses. Both broke those promises. And both happen to be Labour. So for a local resident who has a local business the pattern has been Labour breaks promises to local businesses. For ten years and counting. Hell, Ruth doesn't even have Chiswick in her title. So in that regard she does exactly what it says on her tin and nothing more. But you and yours chose to paint that as anti-cycling. You chose not to engage but criticize others for doing just that. And you pile on the rhetoric saying it is prejudiced and creating targets of abuse and assault. A bit rich, that is. And until you do engage with all people who have different opinions your claim yo do so sounds empty. A bit like saying you like that race of folk, just not that other race of folk because, well, they're just a bit too different for your tastes. You have never put your money where your mouth is. Yet you are content demanding others do so. I love the "tough if you don't like it" line. Shows just how churlishness passes for decorum these days. And there I thought Brits were all about robust debate. Boomer out.

David Lesniak ● 2521d

Paul, Your repeated criticisms of me, on here and on Twitter, are noted. Many are without foundation. Others are inaccurate and misleading. Politicians can expect to be criticised; it comes with the role. We can expect to be misrepresented, too. I am glad to have the chance to provide the facts. This post falls into your TLDR category but so much wrong has been I need to set the record straight. On the task force: As my work principally, so far, has involved working with traders and as you aren’t a trader, I don’t see how you (or other non-traders) can expect to know what I’ve been doing. Yes, I’m an elected councillor and accountable to residents but this is an initiative I took up to help our independent traders. I am now working on it with others who have offered skills, knowledge and support. It will, in due course, involve residents of course. In the meantime, and as you know, I will be publishing a retail manifesto for Chiswick. I’m as frustrated as anyone else at how long it is taking but that is how it is. Wheels turn slowly. I’m enormously grateful to the traders who have taken time to comment on the drafts and provided information and their experiences. Every comment has made it stronger. It will be published when it is finished which I hope will be soon – that’s as much as I can say. Our other aims will follow from that, some of them immediately. Traders are currently in the middle of what should be their best time of year – the run up to Christmas. I don’t want to distract them from that. I hope residents will support them and, instead of attacking me and others on here and on Twitter, enjoy all that Chiswick has to offer. Our independent traders need and deserve our support. Let’s make sure they have a good Christmas.On being “called out by the police”: Your words make it sound as if the police have criticised me for promoting unsafe cycling. In fact, I asked a general question – wanting to know what it’s called when cyclists weave through cars (which I find unnerving just as I find it unnerving when someone on a bike close passes me on a pavement).  Because the question was tagged by someone else who specifically asked a police contact to explain (a wholly unnecessary way to answer my question, designed to give it maximum exposure), the police answered saying it’s called filtering. Whatever it’s called, I still find it unnerving. People who cycle who twisted my question, implying that I was worried about damage to my car, were making things up. It happens a lot. On cycling: I have never been against cycling (that would be ridiculous). I am in favour of improving cycling infrastructure. I’ve said so over and over again but still those who are evangelical about CS9 as proposed, obdurate in their wish not to allow it to be improved, peddle the same old nonsense. Yes, I campaigned hard to stop CS9 – because it is a bad scheme. I wanted it to be improved. I still want it to be improved. It is unsafe – as has been found with other schemes. I have other concerns, frequently stated by me. It will take away pavement space in front of shops where more footfall is needed; I fear for the survival of shops beside it (it’s relevance to my work on the task force is clear). It don’t believe it meets the needs of Chiswick residents who cycle; it meets the needs of commuter cycling which, in my view, should be along the A4 which is also what the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham thinks. We will lose three trees from the High Road, so admired for its handsome trees and being leafy, and I fear that others will be lost by being damaged during construction or affected afterwards. It will change Chiswick’s character forever and that could mean fewer people coming here for our independent shops, cafes, pubs and restaurants which makes me even more worried about our retail economy. I consider it important to fight against a scheme, and for a better one, for Chiswick. As you know, in October 2017 I was challenged to a bike ride by a resident who hoped to convince me that CS9 would be right for Chiswick. As the article about it said, my eyes were opened to how bad cycling infrastructure is in Chiswick. I said it needed to be fixed but that CS9 wasn’t the answer. It still think the same.Here is the article in full: http://turnhamgreen.yourcllr.com/2017/10/02/cycling-through-chiswick-proves-an-eye-opener-for-conservative-candidate/And here is the report on my visit to Enfield where the cycling scheme has seriously affected independent businesses – evidence enough for me to continue to be extremely concerned about CS9 and to continue to want to stop it as proposed: http://turnhamgreen.yourcllr.com/2019/03/08/empirical-evidence-from-enfield-shows-cs9-will-put-local-shops-at-risk/

Joanna Biddolph ● 2520d

Cllr Biddolph seems to have learned nothing in the last 2 years and is still repeating the same old tired and disproven claims."I am in favour of improving cycling infrastructure. I’ve said so over and over again"You have tweeted a lot but when it comes to actually writing down what infrastructure you support, there is nothing.  Did you provide any input about improving cycling infrastructure to the borough transport strategy, a statutory document that sets out the borough’s plans?  This is what matters, not tweets.In your presentation to the Hounslow cabinet you appeared to have a Damascene conversion claiming you wanted protected cycling along both sides of Chiswick High Road. So you spend every Saturday for months standing outside M&S telling people there shouldn’t be a bike lane along one side of CHR then at the last minute tell the Hounslow cabinet, this shouldn’t go ahead because there should be a lane on both sides! No wonder people are cynical about politicians. If you now want protected cycling infrastructure on both sides of CHR, why not write it down? Thing is, I don’t think you have a clue what it would actually entail."It is unsafe – as has been found with other schemes."An assertion with no evidence. What do you mean by “as has been found with other schemes”? Don’t bother citing Stephen Donnelly’s claims. These may appear credible to people who don’t know very much, such as yourself, but they don’t stand up to scrutiny. I was pleased you had Stephen Donnelly present to the Hounslow cabinet as they had been sent a detailed rebuttal of his claims some time previously. Donnelly’s claims about safety were essentially guesses based on summary data. The actual source data (which he didn’t look at) demonstrated that he was completely incorrect. The report from the Dutch consultants which had also been knocking around for a few months was so heavily caveated and qualified to be meaningless. I expect they wanted more money to actually do a proper study. This further undermined the credibility of your position. In all your claims about safety, you don’t appear to have demonstrated the slightest concern about the current high rate of cyclist casualties along Chiswick High Rd (50% higher than the number of pedestrians injured by motor vehicles) and have failed to support infrastructure that would reduce this rate."It will take away pavement space in front of shops where more footfall is needed;"The pavement on other streets such as Turnham Green Terrace is narrower yet has much higher footfall than the south side of CHR. It is the shops that attract people, not the width of pavement."It don’t believe it meets the needs of Chiswick residents who cycle; it meets the needs of commuter cycling which, in my view, should be along the A4"You really don’t have a clue about the needs of Chiswick residents who cycle. Take a look at cyclist casualties along CHR. From postcodes in the police collision reports, we know the majority are from the local area. The majority of drivers of vehicles in the collisions are NOT from the local area. Local people are being injured on CHR by vehicles driving through and all you have done is opposed plans to reduce this casualty rate.As for the A4, you didn’t even know there are houses along the A4 with car parking in front, and this is in your own ward. Your view has no credibility."which is also what the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham thinks"LBHF got a small amount of money from TfL to look at improving cycling along the A4. There are no actual plans. LBHF will be proceeding with the protected cycleway along the A315 route. Shovels in the ground in the New Year starting at the gyratory, I believe. A route along the A4 will be handy when King St is closed to traffic for the markets they hold a few times a year. For the rest of the time, if someone is cycling on the nice protected cycleway along CHR towards King St, the vast majority aren’t going to cut down a side street to take a longer route cycling on the pavement beside the toxic and noisy A4."We will lose three trees from the High Road, so admired for its handsome trees and being leafy, and I fear that others will be lost by being damaged during construction or affected afterwards."I note you re-tweeted Zac Goldsmith's plans for a temporary Hammersmith bridge.  This plan would mean losing considerably more than 3 trees from both the Barnes and Hammersmith sides. So you oppose losing trees for bikes but if it is for cars, fire up the chainsaws! The Goldsmith temporary bridge won’t happen, of course. It is nothing but shameless electioneering.If I have got this wrong and you don't support it, please say so."It will change Chiswick’s character forever"Yes, for the better. Chiswick High Rd is a toxic dangerous traffic sewer. Reducing the dominance of motor vehicles is a good thing."could mean fewer people coming here for our independent shops, cafes, pubs and restaurants"You may have noticed there are about 1000 new residential properties being built near the new Brentford stadium right by the Cycleway 9 route. The fastest, cheapest and easiest way for these people to visit CHR is by bike. Very few will be driving given the limited car parking spaces in the new development.The shopping survey in the consultation report showed how few people actually drive to CHR. The success of a car free Turnham Green Terrace in September shows that people will come to a pleasant environment not dominated by motor traffic."I consider it important to fight against a scheme, and for a better one"You have never actually written down what you think a “better scheme” is. Not supporting anything means you can continue to oppose everything. I suppose if you actually supported meaningful cycling infrastructure along Chiswick High Rd rather than trotting out empty platitudes then you would annoy some of your virulent anti cycling supporters."here is the report on my visit to Enfield"Your so-called “evidence” was comprehensively rebutted by Professor Tom Pike. You were dealing with the people who were involved with the anti cycling campaign in Enfield so they were hardly going to say anything you disagreed with. It would be like someone coming to Chiswick to ask about cycleway 9 and talking to you and David Lesniak.

Michael Robinson ● 2520d

Joanna,credit where credit is due.  That is a considered and measured response to the criticism and I appreciate the tone. I think that you fare much better when you communicate yourself than you do when the messages are voiced by your handful of acolytes on this forum. It is actually good to hear what is happening with the Task Force.On the topic of cycling I am afraid that I just cannot agree with you. You are judged by both actions and words. As I have said the standard of your language in describing cyclists has at times fallen below the level that I expect from somebody in your position. We expect it from Loraine or David or Steve but your voice carries considerably more weight than their's. I strongly believe that using derogratory words to describe and generalise behaviours in the way that you have portrays people who ride bikes as an out-group who are undeserving of measures to improve their environment and conditions and, worse, leads to some people abusing and endangering cyclists on our local roads. You may disagree that it is fair to accuse you of this but you cannot doubt how seriously I take this issue as somebody who is on the receiving end of the effects. I believe that you have a responsibility to consider the consequences of the language that you use and to listen to people who suffer them.As for actions, well you do have to actually do something active and positive to be taken seriously on your claims that you want better cycling infrastructure. Again you can disagree but you can expect the criticism to continue until you are involved in positive proposals. Agitating for Liveable Neighbourhoods funding for your Ward might be a way of doing this but it will certainly risk attracting criticsm from some of the support base that you have built so purposefully pre and post your election by opposing C9.Only your staunchest suppoorters can take the Enfield report seriously as it is so obviously one-sided. Those of us who take these matters seriously know that there is a very different side of the story. Ultimately all this report really achieves is to continue to foster negative attitudes to people who ride bikes in Chiswick.Good luck with the Task Force. I will let up on the criticism on that front. I do appreciate you taking the time to provide an update and would encourage you to continue to do so as it can only be benefical for stakeholder engagement in the long run. Having a vibrant High Road is in all of our interests.

Paul Campbell ● 2520d

So your evidence of "support" is a blog post from when you weren't a councillor?Can you publish your submission to the borough transport strategy?  I didn't see your name mentioned in the responses to the consultation.I think most people would agree that actually contributing to the transport plans of the borough is more meaningful evidence than some tweets and a blog post from over 2 years ago.  Your statement in the blog post is just empty platitudes, spin not substance.  You failed to support a bike lane on one side of the road so to think you would support both sides is laughable, given it would have double the impact.Specifically, construction work on both sides of CHR, probable loss of more trees and impacts on motor traffic.  For example, there would need to be cycle specific lights at the junctions of Turnham Green Terrace and Goldhawk Rd to hold left turning traffic while cycles went straight ahead. These aren't needed with the bi-directional lane.The people who disliked the existing plans would go ballistic if they saw plans for both sides of the road... Cycle routes "to and from the High Road" was just an excuse to oppose Cycleway 9 on the basis of "they aren't everywhere, so they shouldn't be anywhere". So "support" based upon criteria that you know are impossible to deliver. Very cynical.I look forward to your support for the N-S route along Sutton Court Rd which is part of the scope of S Chiswick Liveable Neighbourhood.  There is nothing stopping you putting forward proposals in your own ward.  Two examples of N-S routes would be allowing contraflow cycling on Devonshire Rd rather than one way for all traffic and banning motor traffic except buses at the bridge on Fishers Lane (that would need to be done in conjunction with LB Ealing)Dividing the world into two groups of people is a very blinkered view although it does go some way to explaining your approach.

Michael Robinson ● 2520d

Golly.  I asked a simple question about where the CHR Task Force is at as the rapidly declining High Road worries me.  We are so lucky to live in one of the most amazing parts of London and it saddens me to see such a decline – which I think can be reversed with proactivity and community cohesion. What saddened me here is how the conversation quickly moved on to CS9 – when it was about the CHR Task Force.Good to see that Joanna is coming up with a manifesto and I look forward to reading it.  Great that the Task Force is working with traders and others who have offered skills, knowledge and support. I can see that Joanna is hard working but my back to my original question here as a local resident.  What is happening and how can locals help? Joanna says that she is only working with local traders so the residents can’t be expected to know what is happening.  I would suggest that updates to the community would be great, and that as it is such a big task, we need a bigger group that engages with more people so that we can get stuff done here and stop CHR dying. As well as working with traders, what about working with the landlords (who could pay a contribution to a BID as they do in other High Streets as they want to preserve their asset values), and local surveyors who can help traders as we understand business rates and working with landlords.  It should not be tenant v landlord, rather tenant with their landlords who are also really worried.I had offered to help – and suggested these ideas this summer. Not the best of ideas but something to think about I had hoped. • A Columbia Road flower market of the west on Sat (the traders there would love to come to W4!) • Bring Dukes Meadow Farmers Market to CHR • Community events each month on TG • A Tenant’s Club to prevent rent hikes and business rates increases with local surveyors helping pro-bono• Street furniture and planning improvements • Piazza outside the George pub (great location for markets!) • Shop local campaign • Planning policy to encourage above shop uses • Night time economy plan • Pop Up shop strategy for vacant shops (ie art galleries, furniture)There must be a lot more better ideas out there from the talented people of W4 – I would encourage us to think about whether the Task Force should be bigger and non-politicised.  Is there a community spirit in W4 to get this done?

Ollie Saunders ● 2519d

Per Paul's post to Joanna, I must admit I thought hell froze over that day.I'm delighted she opted to share what she has thus far and that Paul acknowledged it. I've nudged her several times on that front because the amount of work she and her team have done is astonishing and I thought the community should know. However it was not for me to share. Only she knows what goes into properly releasing an initiative such as this. Ostensibly she has done what a BID would do without having to dip into the pockets of business. This in addition to all the issues vying for her time and talent.So I am left to wonder if Paul and Tony et al will now direct their indignation toward LBH and Steve Curran who truly have done absolutely nothing to help local business. You're both critical of those who have done nothing. Jo demonstrated and you accepted that she has done something - a first step. So, then, what do you say to LBH?I wonder if Paul is aware that Steve Curran promised and then reneged on arranging a facilitation meeting with those of us who have valid concerns about CS9. "Until you are involved in positive proposals" is pretty difficult to achieve when LBH constantly slams the door in your face. But not for want of trying. Given those words, I wonder to what length Paul would go to involve others in positive proposals, those who see things differently. Assuaging their fears is not the same thing as agitating nigh harassing them. I wonder if Paul is asking to be considered an expert on cycle safety because he knows more about it and has cycled for quite some time if businesses could then be considered experts for precisely the same reasons - they have plied their trade in W4 premises longer than he has and we know more about the daily grind of brick and mortar business.I wonder if he realizes the rhetoric he uses is as harmful and unhelpful as the very rhetoric he criticizes in others. Pedestrians take issue as those who are on the receiving end of the effects of unbridled and aggressive behavior of some cyclists. "I believe that you have a responsibility to consider the consequences of the language that you use and to listen to people who suffer them" are his precise words. I wonder if he heeds his own advice.

David Lesniak ● 2516d

"Why not be truly visionary and offer parking only to human powered vehicles?"Few reasons:1.) We'd be f*cked in bad weather as no one would be out and about.2.) We'd be f*cked given available parking in neighboring boroughs and at Westfield3.) We'd be f*cked because deliveries have to come by vans4.) We'd be f*cked because by your logic there shouldn't be a single vehicle on the roads except for cycle vehicles. Vehicles aren't the only cause of congestion. Idiotic engineering can be a root cause, but you ignore that.5.) We'd be f*cked because W4 landlords charge destination rents and your concept is based more on local village trade. Destinations require proper infrastructure for a variety of transit options to capture the widest possible audience in order to create density and footfall.6.) We're already f*cked by the plundering of resources and production of tons of tarmac for cycle lanes.Personally I love that you can no longer determine the difference between the A40 and the new cycle path there. Were it not for the ridiculously branch-y trees they opted to plant which already reduce both the width of the newly built cycle path and the immediately adjacent A40 you'd have no idea which is which. Don't come crying when you have to veer away from the branches and into the light post which should have been replaced to create a wider, clearer path. Ooops. There I go again criticizing poor design and poor management (Crossrail 2021 - yeah!) in the name of safety and prudent expenditure.

David Lesniak ● 2494d